Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with...

From	Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject	Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with...
Organization	Southern Nevada Institute of Technology
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Date	2025-11-09 00:46 +0000
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On Nov 8, 2025 at 2:43:04 PM MST, "Marion" wrote
<10eodh7$rl7$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:

> Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>> Given your (claimed) Masters degree, Let's assume you own a normal IQ.
>> 
>> Own? Not sure that is the word you are looking for.
> 
> You own your IQ. Or lack thereof...
> 
>>> Assuming you own a normal IQ, how do YOU rationalize the fact that Apple
>>> claims to care greatly about our privacy against the fact that Apple
>>> receives billions from Google for allowing Google its deep presence?
>> 
>> Again, good to see you ASKING about things you are struggling to understand.
>> That is commendable. Happy to help.
> 
> Heh heh heh...
> 
> You're the one claiming there is only one security metric.
> Not me.

I am the one saying what matters for users is how the malware impacts them.
So, yeah, one metric -- the one that matters.

>> Apple has put a lot of effort into keeping user data private on its devices.
>> Things like on-device Siri processing, on-device dictation, Mail Privacy
>> Protection, App Tracking Transparency, and end-to-end encryption for iMessage
>> and FaceTime all help keep personal data from anyone else. Apple also encrypts
>> sensitive information in iCloud with keys tied to your device -- so your
>> Health data, iCloud Keychain passwords, and Home data are never shared, even
>> with Apple.
> 
> Why then does Apple location tracking suck in privacy compared to Android?

Apple generally keeps your location safer than Android. iOS does most location
processing on the device, encrypts shared locations end-to-end, and gives
detailed control over what apps can see and when. It can even share only an
approximate location and notifies you when apps track in the background.
Android offers similar controls but a lot of location data still goes to
Google for things like Maps and ads, and privacy can vary depending on the
device. Overall, Apple's approach keeps your location more private, while
Android leans more on flexibility and cloud features.

>  From: Marion <mariond@facts.com>
>  misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless
>  FACTS about Apple/Google crowd-sourced Wi-Fi & Cellular location tracking
>  Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2025 12:48:11 -0700
>  Message-ID: <10eo6pq$20q4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
> 
>> Android devices tend to rely more heavily on Google services, which often sync
>> data to the cloud by default and don't offer the same level of device-level
>> isolation for things like voice commands, app activity, or health and location
>> data. I think Samsung has been working to do better here... but I have not
>> really followed it much. If you have newer data that shows Android (or at
>> least Samsung) has caught up, please share. We can learn from each other!
> 
> Why is it that Android has privacy controls which iOS sorely lacks, Brock?

Did you understand a word you replied to... seems not and you just went into
your normal side issues.

You asked me a question about Apple getting money from Google. I answered. You
re moving goal posts all over the place. Like you have an agenda. Which you
clearly do. :)

But to answer your new, side question, in general Android offers more
fine-grained, flexible controls for background access, location history, and
sensor permissions, as well as developer/testing features. iOS focuses on
strong default privacy and simpler, more transparent choices, but with fewer
granular toggles for advanced users. This fits the "KISS" principle -- so most
users are more secure.

>  From: Marion <mariond@facts.com>
>  misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless
>  FACTS about Apple/Google crowd-sourced Wi-Fi & Cellular location tracking
>  Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2025 12:48:11 -0700
>  Message-ID: <10eo6pq$20q4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
> 
>> It is not in contention that Apple does make money from Google by keeping it
>> as the default search engine in Safari, but that deal doesn't mean Apple sees
>> your search data. Safari also has Intelligent Tracking Prevention, and App
>> Tracking Transparency gives you better control over which apps can track you,
>> and how.
> 
> If iOS is so great, Brock, why can't you have any privacy on iOS then?

You really do just ignore everything you read. LOL! But you can have privacy
on iOS, or at least as much as you do on Android.

> 
>  From: Marion <mariond@facts.com>
>  misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless
>  FACTS about Apple/Google crowd-sourced Wi-Fi & Cellular location tracking
>  Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2025 12:48:11 -0700
>  Message-ID: <10eo6pq$20q4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
> 
>> While there are always exceptions, Apple's approach is generally about keeping
>> your data on your device whenever possible, whereas Android’s ecosystem leans
>> more on cloud processing, which can expose more information to third-party
>> tracking.

You simply ignore everything to go back to your agenda. Boring.

> 
> The question is why is iOS's privacy always far less than that of Android?
> 
>  From: Marion <mariond@facts.com>
>  misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless
>  FACTS about Apple/Google crowd-sourced Wi-Fi & Cellular location tracking
>  Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2025 12:48:11 -0700
>  Message-ID: <10eo6pq$20q4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
> 
> Don't even get me started about the lack of GPS location spoofing privacy
> on iOS or the lack of system wide firewall privacy on iOS or the lack of
> being able to run the Tor Browser on iOS, etc....,


-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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