Re: sierra?

From	gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.apps
Date	2016-10-07 16:40 -0700
Message-ID	<2016100716401889374-xxx@yyyzzz> (permalink)
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On 2016-10-07 20:12:48 +0000, Savageduck said:

> On 2016-10-07 20:01:22 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
> 
>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-07 18:58:30 +0000,  <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> said:
>>> 
>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> In article <57f7b4b0$0$1273$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>>> saneearth <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For what it is worth, I upgraded to Sierra and am happy with it. A
>>>>>> forewarning would be that if you use older Photoshop or other CSS
>>>>>> products you will have to use the 2015 Package of Legacy Java.
>>>>> 
>>>>> photoshop doesn't use java
>>>> 
>>>> I don't use Photoshop. It's overpriced and doesn't do more than half of
>>>> what I want done. It just does things I have no use for.
>>> 
>>> What on earth do you want done regarding photo editing that cannot be
>>> done using Photoshop?
>> 
>> IIRC, Erilar wants it to do drawing and page layout as well.
> 
> Oh Hell! I forgot about the goofy web sites and wall-to-wall albums, 
> and that nothing available will please her.

Setting Erilar's needs aside: I've never been able to get Photoshop or 
Adobe Designer to do anything for me except make me read manuals--no 
fault of the programs, mind you; just too much labor and to odd a UI 
for me.  Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo, though, are much easier 
for my meager needs.

Everybody I know that started using Photoshop 15 years ago still seems 
to love it.

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sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-07 08:59 -0500
  Re: sierra? Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:14 -0400
    Re: sierra? saneearth <email@domain.com> - 2016-10-07 09:44 -0500
      Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 11:10 -0400
        Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-07 11:41 -0400
          Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 12:14 -0400
            Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-07 16:47 +0000
              Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 12:51 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-07 17:16 +0000
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 13:20 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-07 18:24 +0000
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 14:43 -0400
                Re: sierra? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-10-07 14:54 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-07 19:01 +0000
                Re: sierra? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-07 12:49 -0700
                Re: sierra? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-10-08 23:35 -0400
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-08 23:56 -0400
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-09 10:27 -0400
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-09 12:09 -0400
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-09 12:30 -0400
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-09 12:47 -0400
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-09 12:54 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-09 16:59 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-09 13:19 -0400
                Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-09 13:18 -0500
                Re: sierra? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2016-10-12 12:32 -0400
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-12 20:01 -0400
                Re: sierra? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2016-10-13 13:31 -0400
                Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-13 18:09 -0500
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-13 23:27 +0000
                Re: sierra? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2016-10-14 14:12 -0400
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-09 10:27 -0400
                Re: sierra? PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2016-10-09 19:15 -0400
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 15:05 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-07 19:01 +0000
                Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-07 14:28 -0500
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 10:38 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 15:33 +0000
                Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-08 14:03 -0500
              Re: sierra? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 02:14 -0400
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-08 08:56 -0400
            Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-07 13:14 -0400
              Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 13:15 -0400
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-07 14:18 -0400
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 14:43 -0400
                Re: sierra? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2016-10-07 23:52 +0000
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 19:55 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 00:37 +0000
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 20:47 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 01:38 +0000
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 21:43 -0400
                Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-07 23:03 -0500
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 04:16 +0000
                Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-08 14:06 -0500
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 19:57 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 10:36 -0400
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-08 10:46 -0400
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 10:52 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 15:28 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 12:00 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 18:36 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 14:49 -0400
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 19:45 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 15:59 -0400
                Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 20:17 +0000
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 20:42 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 17:03 -0400
                Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-08 14:09 -0500
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 19:52 +0000
                Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-08 18:29 -0500
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 23:58 +0000
                Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 20:15 +0000
                Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 20:13 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 16:15 -0400
                Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 21:04 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 17:51 -0400
          Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-07 21:23 +0000
            Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 17:25 -0400
              Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 10:43 -0400
            Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 10:42 -0400
              Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-08 10:46 -0400
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 10:54 -0400
                Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 20:10 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 16:15 -0400
                Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 21:03 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 17:50 -0400
              Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 20:09 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 16:15 -0400
                Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-08 21:03 +0000
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-08 17:50 -0400
        Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-07 13:58 -0500
          Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 15:05 -0400
            Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-08 15:55 -0500
              Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-08 16:58 -0400
                Re: sierra? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-08 23:00 +0200
                Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-08 16:25 -0500
                Re: sierra? PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2016-10-09 18:55 -0400
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-09 19:14 -0400
                Re: sierra? PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2016-10-09 19:37 -0400
                Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-09 19:44 -0400
                Re: sierra? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-12 20:07 -0400
                Re: sierra? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-09 20:56 -0400
                Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-10 05:34 +0000
          Re: sierra? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-07 12:46 -0700
            Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-07 20:01 +0000
              Re: sierra? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-07 13:12 -0700
                Re: sierra? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-07 16:40 -0700
              Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-07 21:20 +0000
              Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-08 15:55 -0500
            Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-08 15:55 -0500
              Re: sierra? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-08 14:05 -0700
                Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-08 16:25 -0500
                Re: sierra? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-08 14:43 -0700
                Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-09 16:48 -0500
                Re: sierra? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-09 22:45 +0000
                Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-15 11:41 -0500
                Re: sierra? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-09 17:01 -0700
                Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-10 18:57 -0500
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 21:44 +0000
                Re: sierra? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-08 21:37 +0000
              Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-08 18:33 -0500
        Re: sierra? PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2016-10-07 21:32 -0400
          Re: sierra? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 21:43 -0400
      Re: sierra? PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2016-10-07 21:31 -0400
  Re: sierra? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2016-10-07 14:21 -0400
  Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-07 14:26 -0500
    Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-08 15:55 -0500
      Re: sierra? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-08 18:37 -0500
        Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-10 18:38 -0500
  Re: sierra? Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-07 22:04 -0700
    Re: sierra? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-10-08 14:32 +0000
    Re: sierra? Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2016-10-08 16:11 -0500

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