Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet

From	Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject	Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet
Date	2016-03-25 04:50 +0100
Organization	PostgreSQL and SQLite
Message-ID	<16pesc-bb8.ln1@news.chingola.ch> (permalink)
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On 2016-03-22, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2016-03-22, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2016-03-22 06:07:41 +0000, android said:
>>
>>>>> TextEdit has the Edit > Substitutions > Smart Quotes menu command.
>>>>> 
>>>>> TextWrangler has menu commands for that (Text > Educate Quotes and Text
>>>>> Straighten Quotes).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure about Pages.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In general you can also search and replace all quotes in a document as
>>>>> well.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.  That should cover it.
>>> 
>>> Just say nooo to smart quotes!
>>
>> I note they automatically pop up in Pages and Numbers.  There's 
>> probably a way to change preferences or something, but I haven't found 
>> it.  
>
> System Preferences > Keyboard > Text > Use smart quotes and dashes

And some applications have their own settings on top of that, which can
be extremely frustrating until you find where they are.

In EagleFiler for example, they aren't in the Preferences, but in
Edit > Substitutions (also reachable via right click when editing text),
and although not mentioned in the options, conversion of '...' to the
single Unicode ellipsis character is thrown in for free with either
the "Smart quotes" or "Smart Dashes". This one was a swine to track
down,

A constant source of aggravation back when I used OpenOffice (I use
LibreOffice now) was that quotes and dashes were silently converted
by default, and that included spreadsheets - Not Good when spreadsheet
output is used for import into databases.

The worst of the lot is where program or script code containing quotes
and dashes gets the "smart" treatment when loaded onto a website.  You
cannot copy and paste examples into an editor and expect them to work.

-- 
There are two hard things in computer science: cache invalidation,
naming, and off-by-one errors.

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  Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2016-03-12 18:30 +0000
  Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-12 13:46 -0500
  Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2016-03-12 14:38 -0500
    Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2016-03-13 09:55 -0500
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  Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-03-12 21:58 +0000
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    Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-03-21 19:37 +0000
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            Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-03-22 17:13 +0000
              Re: Getting rid of smart quotes/apostrophes on Usenet gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-03-22 14:52 -0700
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