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  RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-11 18:05 +0000
    Re: RamDisc0 Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2011-11-12 11:19 +1300
      Re: RamDisc0 Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 23:04 +0000
        Re: RamDisc0 Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 23:17 +0000
    Re: RamDisc0 Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-12 08:14 +0100
      Re: RamDisc0 Sprow <news@sprow.co.uk> - 2011-11-12 00:55 -0800
      Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-12 18:35 +0000
        Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-13 19:09 +0100
          Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 20:05 +0100
            Re: RamDisc0 Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-11-13 22:07 +0000
              Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 22:33 +0000
              Re: RamDisc0 Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 22:56 +0000
                Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-14 05:55 +0000
              Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-14 01:52 +0000
                Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-14 06:00 +0000
                  Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-14 10:14 +0000
                    Re: RamDisc0 Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-14 17:31 +0000
                      Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-14 18:53 +0000
                        Re: RamDisc0 John Tytgat <this@is.invalid> - 2011-11-14 21:34 +0100
                          Re: RamDisc0 Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-11-14 22:01 +0100
                            Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-14 21:12 +0000
                              Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:14 +0100
                                Re: RamDisc0 druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:57 +0000
                          Re: RamDisc0 Mister Ron <mrronman@googlemail.com> - 2011-11-14 14:14 -0800
                      Re: RamDisc0 Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-11-14 22:42 +0100
                    Re: RamDisc0 Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 12:40 +0000
                      Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-15 20:44 +0000
                        Re: RamDisc0 Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 22:40 +0000
                Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:11 +0100
                  Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-15 20:39 +0000
          Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 20:17 +0000
            Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 22:13 +0100
              Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 21:47 +0000
                Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:17 +0100
                  Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:14 +0000
                    Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:56 +0000
                    Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-16 05:38 +0100
                      Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-16 08:37 +0000
                      Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-11-16 08:14 +0000
                  Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:49 +0000
                  Re: RamDisc0 Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 22:24 +0000
                    Re: RamDisc0 "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 23:38 +0100
                    Re: RamDisc0 John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-16 13:29 +0000
                Re: RamDisc0 Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-15 19:26 +0000
                  Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:55 +0000
                  Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-16 05:49 +0100
            Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-16 22:39 +0100
              Re: RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-19 09:52 +0000
                Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-22 09:50 +0100
                  Re: RamDisc0 Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2011-11-22 16:02 +0000
                  Re: RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-26 16:10 +0000
                    Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-28 11:40 +0100
                      Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-29 07:40 +0100
          Re: RamDisc0 Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 20:36 +0000
            Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-16 22:47 +0100
              Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 18:05 +0100
                Re: RamDisc0 Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-17 20:19 +0200
                  Re: RamDisc0 M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-11-17 21:03 +0000
                  Re: RamDisc0 Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2011-11-18 09:59 +0000
                    Re: RamDisc0 Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-18 14:19 +0200
                Re: RamDisc0 Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-11-17 19:12 +0000
                  Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-18 07:51 +0000
                    Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-11-18 10:06 +0000
                      Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-22 13:39 +0100
                        Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-11-22 13:24 +0000
                          Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-24 15:28 +0100
                            Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-11-24 15:48 +0100
                              Re: Language (was RamDisc0) News poster <workstuff@mail.com> - 2011-11-28 11:40 +0100
                              Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-08 11:09 +0100
                                Re: Language (was RamDisc0) SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2011-12-08 10:15 +0000
                                  Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-08 12:02 +0100
                                  Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-10 13:15 +0000
                                    Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-12 10:29 +0000
                                      Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-12 11:18 +0000
                                        Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-12 12:12 +0000
                                          Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-12-12 22:53 +0000
                                            Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-13 12:58 +0000
                                              Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 16:05 +0000
                                                Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-13 17:35 +0000
                                                  Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 18:57 +0000
                                                    Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-13 19:15 +0000
                                                      Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 08:09 +0100
                                                        Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 07:53 +0000
                                                          Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2011-12-14 23:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 07:24 +0100
                                                              Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2011-12-16 00:05 +0000
                                                                Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-16 09:27 +0100
                                                    Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 08:06 +0100
                                        Re: Language (was RamDisc0) nervus <nervus@spam.nl> - 2011-12-12 19:53 +0100
                                          Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-12-12 20:45 +0000
                                          Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-12 23:08 +0100
                                            Re: Language (was RamDisc0) nervus <nervus@spam.de> - 2011-12-14 11:54 +0100
                                          Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 06:25 +0100
                                            Re: Language (was RamDisc0) nervus <nervus@spam.de> - 2011-12-14 11:46 +0100
                                        Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-12 22:48 +0100
                                          Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 01:46 +0000
                                          Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-13 14:07 +0000
                                            Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-14 18:46 +0100
                                              Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-15 11:28 +0000
                                                Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-15 15:57 +0100
                                      Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-12 11:16 +0000
                                    Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-12 22:56 +0100
                                Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-12-08 11:32 +0100
                                  Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-08 11:03 +0000
                                  Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-08 12:04 +0100
                            Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-11-25 11:41 +0000
                              Re: Language (was RamDisc0) News poster <workstuff@mail.com> - 2011-11-28 11:40 +0100
                            Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-26 16:12 +0000
                Re: RamDisc0 Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 19:17 +0000
                  Re: RamDisc0 Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-20 12:45 +0000
                    Re: RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-20 13:53 +0000
                Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-18 21:12 +0000
                  Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-20 17:43 +0100
                    Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-20 19:41 +0000
                      Re: RamDisc0 Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2011-11-20 21:17 +0000
                        Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-20 23:39 +0100
                      Re: RamDisc0 M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-11-21 10:28 +0000
                        Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-21 10:57 +0000
                        Re: RamDisc0 jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2011-11-25 10:36 -0800
          Re: RamDisc0 Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2011-11-14 11:02 +0000
    Re: RamDisc0 Rik Griffin <nospam@denbridgemarine.com> - 2011-11-14 14:50 +0000
      Re: RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-19 10:33 +0000

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#2545

In article
<4ec53ec2$0$2500$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>, Rick
Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> The first one is understandable given how you make
> pronOUncements and pronOUnce things, yet this is your
> pronUncitation?!?

> I believe that every language has a certain "bull"
> factor. In French, we could say it is the gender issue
> which doesn't seem to serve any actual purpose.

Whether or not grammatical gender serves any actual purpose,
it is hardly unique to French. AFAIK, English is almost
alone among Indo-European languages in have lost the use of
grammatical gender. I do not know about gender in Frisian,
and I do know that Afrikaans has no grammatical gender.
This, though, is probably a special case, being isolated
from its roots, and also rubbing up against English for some
centuries.

> English, on the other hand, is a fairly simple easy to
> learn language.

It is easy to *get started* in English. And yes, in part
because of the lack of both grammatical gender and the
almost complete lack of cases.

But English has far more tenses (3 different present tenses
alone!) than French, let alone High German. And asking
questions in English (properly) is very complex.

And I have seen intelligent adults almost reduced to tears
by the way English uses prepositions.

> Until you get to the specifics. Like how to look at a
> word with "ough" in it and know how to say it correctly.
> Why is "Woking" not said like an Asian utensil, but is
> "whoa-king"?

Err...  Woe-king? But certainly not whoa-king, which (not
witch) includes an 'h' sound.

> If the "in" suffix negates something (incoherent,
> inconsistent), then why the hell does flammable and
> INflammable mean the same thing? One could argue that
> correct proper English is a very difficult language due
> to all this "bull".

This is spelling, not language. If you can speak English,
but not read or write, it would all be completely
irrelevant.

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#2555 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In message <5233b19be1see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
 on 17 Nov 2011 Russell Hafter News  wrote:

> In article
> <4ec53ec2$0$2500$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>, Rick
> Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I believe that every language has a certain "bull" factor. In French, we
> > could say it is the gender issue which doesn't seem to serve any actual
> > purpose.
> 
> Whether or not grammatical gender serves any actual purpose,
> it is hardly unique to French. AFAIK, English is almost
> alone among Indo-European languages in have lost the use of
> grammatical gender. I do not know about gender in Frisian,
> and I do know that Afrikaans has no grammatical gender.

I think a lot of English people get the wrong impression of grammatical
gender because, with the descriptions "masculine", "feminine" and "neuter"
they think it has something to do with biological sex and can't see the point
of having female apples and male melons.

But the word gender is equivalent to the French "genre", a word which we also
use in English.  All it means is a grouping of things of a similar type, and
the designations "masculine" and "feminine" just show that the words in the
respective genres tend to behave the same way as things which are really
masculine and feminine.  But of course there are exceptions.  Diminutives in
German having a tendency to be neuter is one example.

At the end of the day it's getting a feel for the words and how they behave.

See http://www.linguism.co.uk/language/gender-and-sex for an interesting
discussion of this.

-- 
Matthew Phillips
Durham

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#2558 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In article <6520f73352.Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <5233b19be1see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>  on 17 Nov 2011 Russell Hafter News  wrote:

> > In article
> > <4ec53ec2$0$2500$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>, Rick
> > Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > > I believe that every language has a certain "bull"
> > > factor. In French, we could say it is the gender
> > > issue which doesn't seem to serve any actual purpose.

> > Whether or not grammatical gender serves any actual
> > purpose, it is hardly unique to French. AFAIK, English
> > is almost alone among Indo-European languages in have
> > lost the use of grammatical gender. I do not know about
> > gender in Frisian, and I do know that Afrikaans has no
> > grammatical gender.

> I think a lot of English people get the wrong impression
> of grammatical gender because, with the descriptions
> "masculine", "feminine" and "neuter" they think it has
> something to do with biological sex and can't see the
> point of having female apples and male melons.

> But the word gender is equivalent to the French "genre",
> a word which we also use in English.  All it means is a
> grouping of things of a similar type, and the
> designations "masculine" and "feminine" just show that
> the words in the respective genres tend to behave the
> same way as things which are really masculine and
> feminine.  But of course there are exceptions. 
> Diminutives in German having a tendency to be neuter is
> one example.

The classic example in German is 'Das Weib' - the same word
as the English 'Wife' - which is neuter. Though I cannot
think when I last heard the word in converstion, or even
read it in a contemporary book.

All grammatical  diminutives (those created with the
suffixes -chen and -lein, and their regional variations) are
neuter, so you also have 'Das Fräulein' - 'Miss' or 'young
woman' and 'Das Mädchen' - 'girl' which are neuter too.

The (to me) strange thing is that in Dutch and the
Scandinavian languages, the two genders are 'common' and
'neuter', ie masculine and feminine have fused into one. In
German, it is masculine and neuter that are already very
similar grammatically, while feminie is noticeably
different.

[Snip]

> See http://www.linguism.co.uk/language/gender-and-sex for
> an interesting discussion of this.

Quite. Well worth a read, thanks. I wonder if there are
quivalent articles from the perspective of other languages?

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#2655 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In message <5234037687see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
          Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

> 
> The (to me) strange thing is that in Dutch and the
> Scandinavian languages, the two genders are 'common' and
> 'neuter', ie masculine and feminine have fused into one. 
> 
[snip]
Well in the case of Norwegian you are both correct and incorrect.

In the case of Bokmål (the most widely used written dialect) the
feminine gender in nouns has all but died out. There are a few
exceptions to this rule, that is words that are always used with the
feminine gender. For instance ei jenta (a girl). 

If you look at Nynorsk, the use of the feminine gender in nouns is much
more widespread. Nouns that are masculine in Bokmål are feminine in
Nynorsk. ei uka (a week) for example.

The ramifications of the differing use of gender in Norwegian are that
both adjectives and possesive personal pronouns change on the basis of
the gender of the noun (in the singular form).

So in Nynorsk "my wife" is "kona mi" whereas in Bokmål you might write
"kone min". Fortunately most adjectives are the same for both
feminine and masculine singular nouns although there are exceptions
- such as little or small which is
  liten/lita/lite/små m/f/n(singular)/plural.

Of course the are also differences between many of the the spoken
dialects as to which words are masculine and which are feminine. 

Cheers Stan
-- 
An Iyonix in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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#2656 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In message <3ed0203652.news@mistymornings.net>
          workstuff@mail.com wrote:

> In message <5234037687see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>           Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>           wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > 
> > The (to me) strange thing is that in Dutch and the
> > Scandinavian languages, the two genders are 'common' and
> > 'neuter', ie masculine and feminine have fused into one. 
> > 
> [snip]


> 
> Cheers Stan
An Iyonix in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net

Interesting 'Cycling' - web site :-)
 
-- 
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#2680 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In message <87f1243652.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
          cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> In message <3ed0203652.news@mistymornings.net>
>           workstuff@mail.com wrote:
[snip]
> An Iyonix in Buskerud.
> 
> http://mistymornings.net
> 
> Interesting 'Cycling' - web site :-)
>  
Thanks. 

(That's assuming the smiley does not mean you are making a joke)
Cheers
Stan

-- 
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http://mistymornings.net 

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#2682 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In article <cb6d323752.news@mistymornings.net>,
   <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:
 
> > Interesting 'Cycling' - web site :-)
  
> Thanks. 

I like the hi-res webcam, but have a suggestion to make it more
NetSurf-friendly:

If you put the image at the top and the text below, NetSurf, which doesn't
do JS, could be refreshed with its page-refresh button and the picture
wouldn't leap down the screen as it does presently, as NetSurf doesn't
remember the vertical scroll position over refreshes.

Would help on the lower-res page as well.

John

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#2737 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In message <5237343c1eUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
          "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <cb6d323752.news@mistymornings.net>,
>    <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:
>  
> > > Interesting 'Cycling' - web site :-)
>   
> > Thanks. 
> 
> I like the hi-res webcam, but have a suggestion to make it more
> NetSurf-friendly:
> 
> If you put the image at the top and the text below, NetSurf, which doesn't
> do JS, could be refreshed with its page-refresh button and the picture
> wouldn't leap down the screen as it does presently, as NetSurf doesn't
> remember the vertical scroll position over refreshes.
> 
> Would help on the lower-res page as well.
> 
I'll bear that in mind when I freshen up the page. I have been
considering doing that for a while. The "New and Improved" has been
there for a year so that is due for removal.

I'm considering removing the javascript refresh from the page too. I'm
not sure there is much point to having it.

Regards
Stan

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http://mistymornings.net 

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#2853 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

[Posted and mailed]

In message <5237343c1eUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
          "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <cb6d323752.news@mistymornings.net>,
>    <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:
>  
> > > Interesting 'Cycling' - web site :-)
>   
> > Thanks. 
> 
> I like the hi-res webcam, but have a suggestion to make it more
> NetSurf-friendly:
> 
[snip]
Now revamped. Not quite what you wanted but I think it is a bit of an
improvement. I don't actually have a monitor big enough to view the
hi-res image in a browser without scrolling. Which I way it makes little
difference to me that there is text at the top, I still have to scroll
down to see the whole image.

http://mistymornings.net/webcam.html

Cheers Stan

-- 
An Iyonix in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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#2854 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

workstuff@mail.com wrote:
> http://mistymornings.net/webcam.html

"This page will auto refresh every three minutes
 if you javascript is enabled."

-- 
Stewart Goldwater
http://janusg.co.nr

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#2858 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In message <gemini.4ee08e4a000285820acc%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>
          SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> workstuff@mail.com wrote:
> > http://mistymornings.net/webcam.html
> 
> "This page will auto refresh every three minutes
>  if you javascript is enabled."
> 
Thanks, now amended.
Cheers
Stan

-- 
An Iyonix in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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#2872 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In message <gemini.4ee08e4a000285820acc%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>
          SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> workstuff@mail.com wrote:
>> http://mistymornings.net/webcam.html

> "This page will auto refresh every three minutes
>  if you javascript is enabled."

Why on earth do you need javascript to refresh a page automatically?

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#2873 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In article <7f24693f52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>, Jess
<phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In message <gemini.4ee08e4a000285820acc%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> SG nws
>           <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> > workstuff@mail.com wrote:
> >> http://mistymornings.net/webcam.html

> > "This page will auto refresh every three minutes if you javascript is
> >  enabled."

> Why on earth do you need javascript to refresh a page automatically?

I wondered exactly the same thing. For a similar idea (but for a view
about 1,000 worse than glorious Norway) I did this: 
http://timil.com/webcam

The image is embedded in a tiny web page of its own which sits in a
<frame> and refreshes itself with the ancient
 <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="15"/>
in its <head>. I use javascript only when it is unimportant or has an
alternative.

Being a British and a motorcyclist, my only snow meter is vision: if I
can see any snow I don't go out. ;-)

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "I like your silence; it the more shows off your wonder" Win Tale, Act v, Sc.2

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#2878 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In message <524061a6catim@invalid.org.uk>
          Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> In article <7f24693f52.jess@itworkshop.invalid>, Jess
> <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In message <gemini.4ee08e4a000285820acc%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> SG nws
> >           <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> > > workstuff@mail.com wrote:
> > >> http://mistymornings.net/webcam.html
> 
> > > "This page will auto refresh every three minutes if you
> > > javascript is
> > >  enabled."
> 
> > Why on earth do you need javascript to refresh a page automatically?
> 
> I wondered exactly the same thing. For a similar idea (but for a view
> about 1,000 worse than glorious Norway) I did this: 
> http://timil.com/webcam
> 
[snip]

What is being used for these webcams? - a stand alone device?

> 
> Being a British and a motorcyclist, my only snow meter is vision: if I
> can see any snow I don't go out. ;-)
> 

I feel 'ice' is more of a problem - I wonder if in Norway they are
using 'Schwalbe snow & Ice' tyres on their bicycles.

Don't think there any 'Winter Motorcycle' tyres - big problem in
Europe - because it seems all motor vehicles are required to have them
fitted in the winter - EU directive.

-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#2885 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In article <a723664052.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>,
   <cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid> wrote:
> In message <524061a6catim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
>           wrote:

[Snip]

> What is being used for these webcams? - a stand alone device?

Unfortunately not a RISC OS solution but a Logitech webcam attached via
USB to a Windows PC running Fwink.

I did have an IP camera but it died. :-(

> > Being British and a motorcyclist, my only snow meter is vision: if I
> > can see any snow I don't go out. ;-)

> I feel 'ice' is more of a problem - I wonder if in Norway they are
> using 'Schwalbe snow & Ice' tyres on their bicycles.

The two usually go together here: it's only if it snows the local
gritting doesn't work.

> Don't think there any 'Winter Motorcycle' tyres 

Not as such. But generally accepted we use studded for ice or knobbly for
snow.

> - big problem in Europe - because it seems all motor vehicles are
> required to have them fitted in the winter - EU directive.

As has been recently established by our Glorious Leader: the EU can go
**** itself.  ;-)

I hope this means the stupid new motorcycle regs can be avoided. I want
to be able to fit a better, two-part stainless steel exhaust, rather than
the six pieces of rotting tin provided by the manufacturer. And not have
to wear a hi-vis jacket as they are useless: blind idiots STILL pull out
in front of you. Ask a bike cop. My clothing will not fix eyesight or
eliminate moments of motorists' inattention.

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "'Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss" Pericles, Act i, Sc.2

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#2908 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In article <52406b0347tim@invalid.org.uk>,
   Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> I hope this means the stupid new motorcycle regs can be avoided. I want
> to be able to fit a better, two-part stainless steel exhaust, rather than
> the six pieces of rotting tin provided by the manufacturer. And not have
> to wear a hi-vis jacket as they are useless: blind idiots STILL pull out
> in front of you. Ask a bike cop. My clothing will not fix eyesight or
> eliminate moments of motorists' inattention.

I'd heard there was a bit of a fuss in the motorcycle fraternity about
some new regs they weren't happy about and wondered what they were.

I do wish, however, they would set proper maximum noise limits for bikes
and properly police them. There are bikes round here, horrible little
things which make a terrible racket and their owners seem to insist on
running them at maximum revs all the time. You can hear the blasted things
half a mile a way. I was in the main street the other day and had to stick
my fingers in my ears when one took off after being stopped at a pelican
crossing.

Modern silencer and engine technology means cars are now quite quiet and
it's high time bikes were brought down to the same levels of quietness.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#2920 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In article <5240a5ae0dSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> Modern silencer and engine technology means cars are now quite quiet and
> it's high time bikes were brought down to the same levels of quietness.

Older bike exhausts -- and especially small two-strokes -- had removable
baffles which could be taken out for cleaning. Or to provide more noise
and power.

Nowadays, they cannot be removed so are only noisy if the thing is
"modified" and I think we all agree than any modification shouldn't make
it noticeably louder. Currently, replacement exhausts should show either
a brand or a kite mark or both. In practice, anything which isn't too
noisy passes the MOT. There's nothing intrinsically wrong in choosing an
alternative exhaust, as I have. Quieter four into one instead of four
into two and stainless steel.

But yes, there was a moped which used to stop at the traffic lights
outside my flat at 5am and I often threatened to get up early and wait
for him/her with a baseball bat to make my own modifications.

Sad that some bikers feel it essential to make an infernal din so that
dozy motorists wake up and pay attention to the world outside their car:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/LOUD-PIPES-SAVE-LIVES/106819076013557

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "Kindness, nobler ever than revenge" A Y L I, Act iv, Sc.3

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#2923 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In article <5240f3132atim@invalid.org.uk>,
   Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> Sad that some bikers feel it essential to make an infernal din so that
> dozy motorists wake up and pay attention to the world outside their car:
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/LOUD-PIPES-SAVE-LIVES/106819076013557

The trouble with many motorcyclists is that they think that car drivers
are dozy because most travel at or close to the speed limits, and move in
orderly queues, whereas speed limits, warning signs about bends, side
turnings and hidden junctions don't apply to them. And of course its legal
to scorch down the hatched area between the carriageways on some wider
roads.

The classic scenario is the road junction close to a bend, quite a few
locally. Car driver stops, looks, nothing visible and starts to move off
just as a biker comes round the corner, close into the kerb, at well over
the speed limit and of course its the car divers fault. If the biker was
riding sensibly, moving out to the crown of the road as he comes round the
bend giving himself a better view and allowing the car driver to see him
earlier, taking note of the warning sign about the side turning, and
travelling at an appropriate speed there wouldn't even be rubber on the
road.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#2925 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In article <52410430ebSpambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5240f3132atim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
>    <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > Sad that some bikers feel it essential to make an infernal din so
> > that dozy motorists wake up and pay attention to the world outside
> > their car:
> > https://www.facebook.com/pages/LOUD-PIPES-SAVE-LIVES/106819076013557

> The trouble with many motorcyclists is that they [ride badly].

Yes, unfortunately many do. Every population of both riders and drivers
have some who take dangerous risks and have never heard of their
'vanishing point'. Or the Highway Code.

Mind you, there are things that one can do which another road users may
think was dangerous but from one's own perspective can seem perfectly
safe. Pulling out at junctions being a case in point.  ;-)

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "Love comforteth like sunshine after rain" Venus & Adonis

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#2927 — Re: Language (was RamDisc0)

In article <52410c675ctim@invalid.org.uk>,
   Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> Mind you, there are things that one can do which another road users may
> think was dangerous but from one's own perspective can seem perfectly
> safe. Pulling out at junctions being a case in point.  ;-)

Oh goody, a chance to vent...

I'm no saint on the road, but I do *try* to drive without being a Ron or a
Hog, but...
Being the driver of a Van (ATM) a white one, I encounter a lot of people
called Ron driving, who seem to have some obsession with...

1) Have to pull out of that junction to get in front of the van.
   Thankfully my van has good brakes, I see them look at the van, I'm
almost on the junction and they still pull out, then proceed at 20 MPH or
less everywhere.

Even more Rons at work...
2) Have to pull out to get in front of that van on a roundabout when I'm
almost on top of them... Wouldn't be so bad if they were prepared to give
the accelerator some wellie, but no, they pull out right in front, causing
me to brake, then they trundle off like a snail.

3) I live in a conurbation that has a higher percentage of old folks than
most places (Bournemouth/Poole) and boy oh boy can that make safe driving
a challenge.

Even more Rons inhabit this state of being...

They come to a road junction/roundabout and neither stop or look, but just
carry on...
That's a frightner.

They trundle along swerving about in the road, they can't see properly,
and everytime something is coming towards them, they brake, every single
time.

I've seen a weak old man in a car, so weedy with age that he could only
move the steering wheel about two inches at a time (Big modern Jag so must
have had power steering).... Gawd help us if he had to do an emergency
stop... Well infact they don't, we quite often get old men/women failing
to stop and going into walls and shop fronts, or sometimes mowing down
Husband/Wife.

Pah!
Vent over... back on the B'mth roads tomorrow as I have a job or two to do
for a 96 going on 97 year old man who still drives, but you won't find me
as a passenger in his car. :-(

Dave

My real, real pet motoring hate, is the Ron's who just will not indicate,
ever.

Or as one person put it, and I kid you not... "Eh! Why do I need to
indicate, I know where I'm going."

D.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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