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  Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn glavallin <glavallin@gjlavallin.plus.com> - 2012-03-31 11:21 +0100
    Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-31 13:07 +0200
      Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-31 12:26 +0100
    Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-31 12:25 +0100
    Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-31 15:22 +0200
      Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-31 16:59 +0100
        Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-31 18:20 +0200
          Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-31 19:45 +0100
            Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn workstuff@mail.com - 2012-04-01 19:41 +0200
          Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-31 23:00 +0200
            Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-31 22:49 +0100
            Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-31 23:22 +0100
              Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-01 01:11 +0200
              Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-31 16:12 -0700
      Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-31 22:28 +0200
        Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-03-31 21:34 +0100
        Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-01 00:40 +0100
        Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn workstuff@mail.com - 2012-04-01 15:57 +0200
          Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-01 16:53 +0100
          Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-01 22:43 +0200
            Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn workstuff@mail.com - 2012-04-02 19:04 +0200
              Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-04-02 23:36 +0100
                Re: Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn workstuff@mail.com - 2012-04-03 19:10 +0200

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#4666 — Funny Message on Google Groups Acorn

Not funny message using Google Groups on Iphone.

' The old Google Groups will be going away soon. Switch to the new Google
 Groups. '
 
 Does this mean that years of Acorn chat,news discussions will be lost to
  the bin?
  
  
 Enlightenment required 
  
-- 

Geoff

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#4668

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:21:47 +0100, glavallin 
<glavallin@gjlavallin.plus.com> wrote:

> ' The old Google Groups will be going away soon. Switch to the new 
Google
>  Groups. '

>  Does this mean that years of Acorn chat,news discussions will be 
lost to
>   the bin?

I doubt the archives will be going anywhere. It is more likely that 
the "new" Google Groups will be much like the old Google Groups, only 
you'll be expected to sign in with your Google+ account... <sigh>


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4671

On 31 Mar, Rick Murray wrote in message
    <almarsoft.8389891229815519146@news.orange.fr>:

> I doubt the archives will be going anywhere. It is more likely that the
> "new" Google Groups will be much like the old Google Groups, only you'll
> be expected to sign in with your Google+ account... <sigh>

I've just browsed it without being logged in at all (just like the old
interface)...

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#4670

On 31 Mar, glavallin wrote in message
    <27db067952.glavallin@gjlavallin.plus.com>:

> Not funny message using Google Groups on Iphone.
> 
> ' The old Google Groups will be going away soon. Switch to the new Google
>  Groups. '
>  
>  Does this mean that years of Acorn chat,news discussions will be lost to
>   the bin?

You did try the link yourself and read the help information provided, didn't
you?

>  Enlightenment required 

It would seem they're upgrading the interface.  The new one is (currently)
optional, but looks "slicker" and more like the other parts of Google
(eg. Maps).  I can't see why they'd be throwing away the old content, and it
doesn't seem to be what's happening anyway.  I can certainly still browse
csam's history via the new interface.

And either way, Google Groups isn't Usenet.  This only affects access via
Google Groups.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#4672

In message <27db067952.glavallin@gjlavallin.plus.com>
          glavallin <glavallin@gjlavallin.plus.com> wrote:

> 
> Not funny message using Google Groups on Iphone.
> 
> ' The old Google Groups will be going away soon. Switch to the new Google
>  Groups. '
>  
>  Does this mean that years of Acorn chat,news discussions will be lost to
>   the bin?
[snip]
>
Nope. It means that that the Google Groups web user interface is
changing to a new (but IMO not improved) version. This is to ensure that
Google Groups looks like every other Google service. Oh, that and to
encourage you to use Google+ as your main source of information.

The New Look Google interfaces need a very modern browser and consume
CPU cycles like a hungry polar bear at lunchtime in a seal colony. The
Gmail version of the New Look was unpleasant and slow over here so I
ditched it. The same UI changes, and the way Google ignored genuine,
well expressed concerns over New Look in general, made me move my
Blogspot hosted blog to a local Wordpress blog on my own webspace.

If you are interested in retaining you sanity, I suggest you set up a
half decent news reader client and download your "acorn" newsgroups. The
exception to this will be the Select Google Group which is only
available via the Google Groups new web interface.

Regards
Stan

-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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#4673

In message <e65d177952.news@mistymornings.net>
          workstuff@mail.com wrote:

> Nope. It means that that the Google Groups web user interface is
> changing to a new (but IMO not improved) version. This is to ensure that
> Google Groups looks like every other Google service. Oh, that and to
> encourage you to use Google+ as your main source of information.

I ditched the new gmail after about 5 minutes. Hope it doesn't get 
forced upon me.

> If you are interested in retaining you sanity, I suggest you set up a
> half decent news reader client and download your "acorn" newsgroups. The
> exception to this will be the Select Google Group which is only
> available via the Google Groups new web interface.

It arrives in my mailbox OK.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#4674

In message <34be257952.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
          Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In message <e65d177952.news@mistymornings.net>
>           workstuff@mail.com wrote:
> 
> > Nope. It means that that the Google Groups web user interface is
> > changing to a new (but IMO not improved) version. This is to ensure that
> > Google Groups looks like every other Google service. Oh, that and to
> > encourage you to use Google+ as your main source of information.
> 
> I ditched the new gmail after about 5 minutes. Hope it doesn't get 
> forced upon me.

New Look will but forced on us all, well that was the message I got
the last time I checked. I can't be bothered reading the Google Blog
or forums any more. Google seem to have turned into the new Microsoft.

I have switched over th the the HTML, javascript free version of Gmail.
It is not as well featured as Old or New Look Gmail but it runs nicely
in Netsurf on an Iyonix and is usable with Netsurf on an SARPC.

You can also enable IMAP access in Gmail and read your mail with MPro.
> 
> > If you are interested in retaining you sanity, I suggest you set up a
> > half decent news reader client and download your "acorn" newsgroups. The
> > exception to this will be the Select Google Group which is only
> > available via the Google Groups new web interface.
> 
> It arrives in my mailbox OK.
>
Good point, I'd forgotten about that feature of Google Groups. I
only use Google Groups these days to check on the Select list. Once
every six months or so.

Cheers
Stan

-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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#4675

In message <dab3277952.news@mistymornings.net>
          workstuff@mail.com wrote:

> I have switched over th the the HTML, javascript free version of Gmail.
> It is not as well featured as Old or New Look Gmail but it runs nicely
> in Netsurf on an Iyonix and is usable with Netsurf on an SARPC.

The old look has the option of only quoting the selected text, this 
appeared to be missing on the new look, hence turning it off.

> You can also enable IMAP access in Gmail and read your mail with MPro.

I've never had success with that, pop/smtp work OK though.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#4713

In message <eaf5347952.jess@itworkshop.invalid>
          Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In message <dab3277952.news@mistymornings.net>
>           workstuff@mail.com wrote:
> 
[snip]
> 
> > You can also enable IMAP access in Gmail and read your mail with MPro.
> 
> I've never had success with that, pop/smtp work OK though.
> 
What was the problem? Gmail works fine here on a BB with IMAP, MPro
6.03 and RemoteNB 3.13. It can take up to two minutes to connect but
generally runs OK after that.

Cheers
Stan

-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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#4678

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:20:33 +0200, workstuff@mail.com wrote:

> New Look will but forced on us all,

I wish Google would just stop tweaking stuff, because it seems every 
time I go to YouTube to upload a video, things are subtly different. 
How about they make their nice auto-resume uploader actually *work* 
instead of dropping on us something fancier that works less well? How 
about fixing the Android YouTube app so it doesn't say the upload 
failed when in fact it hadn't *and* have a tendency to make uploads 
public regardless of the options you actually chose. And why does the 
GMail app offer possibly the most horrible UI in the history of apps? 
Not to mention the irony of Google Groups' website only half works on 
an Android phone (usually, messages and threads arrive 'blank').
So stop tarting up stuff and make what you have actually *work*!!!


> I can't be bothered reading the Google Blog or forums any more.

I never did in the first place. It seems to me to be absolutely 
disgusting that a large tech company's idea of end-user support is to 
point you at forums. Okay, I bet they get a lot of dickhead 
questions, but when you have a real issue to discuss, it's not useful 
to post to a forum and hope somebody high enough up the food chain 
happens to notice.

Example - my address. About a year ago our address changed from the 
correct location to halfway up the road, perhaps because the road now 
has the same name as the house, because apparently Google or Maps 
can't cope with roads being unnamed. Well, the road *is* unnamed, now 
the location is wrong. Kindly fix. But you think I'm going to post my 
address info to a public forum?
On a similar note, Maps/Nav should wake up and understand that in 
rural places, *roads* *usually* *have* *NO* *names*. So we're driving 
down a little nowhere road and the girl pipes up "continue straight 
on to <mangled attempt to say a French word>", it's crazy. Roads have 
a *number*, it's the D123, the end.
Likewise, a direction such as "slight left on to avenue des gros 
seins" is nonsense when you're looking at a sign that says "D763 
Vallet CLISSON".
These are fundamental issues that would need to be put in front of a 
Google Geek, not spewed on a forum for people to up/downvote... 


> Google seem to have turned into the new Microsoft.

It's a shame. The basic concept of a lot of Google stuff is solid, 
and their featureset is increasing nicely (even if Translate's 
Japanese scribble-input seems to think that everything I try to draw 
is '心' (kokoro, means heart)! :-)
The problem is Google are so cavalier with regards privacy. But 
should we be surprised? I met an American ex-pat a few years back. 
Great fun, but interspersed in his epic tales (he was a diver for the 
military) was an awful lot of information that people just should not 
share randomly. I learned his cousin's name, where she lived, and 
that she had a medical complication. I've forgotten it now, but what 
the heck? If my mother was dying of cancer it might be something I 
would mention, but otherwise...probably not. Maybe there's just 
something fundamentally wrong with Americans that the concepts of 
privacy and...
no...-people-don't-want-to-know-your-second-auntie-is-incontinent-
-following-her-kindey-operation-after-a-life-of-enjoying-the-bottle-
-and-making-out-with-the-entire-baseball-team-across-three-
-generations-and-twice-on-weekends do not register?


At least, as you mention, there's a plain no-nonsense version of 
GMail for those of us with less capable machines.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4682

In article <almarsoft.2127431721629598864@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> apparently Google or Maps can't cope with roads being
> unnamed.

Lots of crap websites have address forms that insist you
fill in a street name, even though according to the Postcode
Address File my village (and presumably hundreds of others)
hase no street names.

And there is a lot of crap address software out there now
that does not use the full Postcode Address File, so that
when I enter my postcode only part of the address comes up,
but there is no way of completing the address.

And then the address forms that cannot cope with the rather
more unusual situation that we have here - six houses on our
postcode have house names that start with a number.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4685

In article <almarsoft.2127431721629598864@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> Example - my address. About a year ago our address changed from the 
> correct location to halfway up the road, perhaps because the road now 
> has the same name as the house, because apparently Google or Maps 
> can't cope with roads being unnamed. Well, the road *is* unnamed, now 
> the location is wrong. Kindly fix. But you think I'm going to post my 
> address info to a public forum?

Hmm. It was a while ago but I remember being able to send some sort of
message about some road names Google maps had wrong. Oh, and our
village/hamlet was missed altogether. Funny, it was wrong in the same way
as a printed map I have.

They fixed it. Is there no feedback option in Earth or Maps?

> On a similar note, Maps/Nav should wake up and understand that in 
> rural places, *roads* *usually* *have* *NO* *names*. So we're driving 
> down a little nowhere road and the girl pipes up "continue straight 
> on to <mangled attempt to say a French word>", it's crazy. Roads have 
> a *number*, it's the D123, the end.

Oh the crazy French: they can be bothered to give roads numbers but not
names! Only our motorways and some dual carriageways are unnamed, or
would be better off that way.

[Snip]

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "For where thou art, there is the world itself, and where though art not, desolation" Henry VI, Act iii, Sc.2

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#4690

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 23:22:13 +0100, Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> 
wrote:

> Oh the crazy French: they can be bothered to give roads numbers but
> not names

Why is that crazy? It's just different.

You want to know the truth? Most *rural* roads *do* have a name. A 
name like "Route de St. Just", the road that the locals know as going 
to that place. The only problem, though, is if you are standing by 
the church in St. Just, several of the roads are "Route de St. Just", 
so at *that* end they are called something else, based upon where the 
road goes if you take it the other way.

Centuries ago (or so it feels), I lived off Moulsham Copse Lane. This 
was only ever used in addresses. In giving directions, it was "turn 
left at the crossroads just before/after (depending on which way) the 
phone box". Back then phone boxes were bright red.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4724

Tim Hill wrote:
> Oh the crazy French: they can be bothered to give roads numbers but not
> names! Only our motorways and some dual carriageways are unnamed, or
> would be better off that way.

"The A93 between Ballater and Dinnet" begs to differ.

JGH

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#4676

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:22:07 +0200, workstuff@mail.com wrote:

> If you are interested in retaining you sanity, I suggest you set up 
a
> half decent news reader client and download your "acorn" newsgroups.

It is a doddle with Thunderbird (on a PC). The protocol hasn't 
changed much so probably Argonet's stuff would still work if I jacked 
my RiscPC in. And right now I'm using GroundHog on an Android phone - 
it isn't perfect but it's so much better than a crappy web interface.

I still use Yahoo! for my Mail! but I would run from the web version. 
My poor mother is using an eeePC with a 1024x600 display and Yahoo! 
Mail! which seems pathologically unable to understand that there are 
alternatives to 1024x768 (so most of her mails have loads of blank 
lines at the bottom to work around the editor going off the bottom of 
the screen). Me? It arrives on my phone. Every single dumbass with a 
couple of million in Burkina Faso... <sigh>

Web interfaces are useful, but proper software for specific tasks is 
always going to function better than bending something else to fit.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4677

What is this 'Google Groups' you speak of?
I've searched the usenet list in my mailreader but can't find it anywhere :)

-- 
Will J G

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#4691

The following bytes were arranged on 31 Mar 2012 by Rick Murray :

> I still use Yahoo! for my Mail! but I would run from the web version.
> My poor mother is using an eeePC with a 1024x600 display and Yahoo!
> Mail! which seems pathologically unable to understand that there are
> alternatives to 1024x768 (so most of her mails have loads of blank
> lines at the bottom to work around the editor going off the bottom of
> the screen).

I have a similar problem with the 'new' Gmail, or at least Virgin
Media's thinly-rebranded version of it (I don't know if vanilla Gmail
has the same issue).

For preference, I read my email on RISC OS using Messenger Pro over POP,
which is much nicer than any kind of web interface, as well as being
very highly configured to my tastes.  But sometimes I want to have a
look at my inbox when I'm away from home, so I log into the webmail with
my laptop.

Now, said laptop has a wide screen, which is a polite way of saying it
has a very shallow one - 1366x768.  Google, or perhaps Virgin, seem
unwilling to acknowledge the existence of such resolutions, for fully
half the height of the screen is conventionally taken up with an
enormous advertisement, leaving me to peer at my email through a
scrolling letterbox in the bottom half.

Thank god for the basic HTML view, which I switched to the moment I
discovered how (Virgin's custom skin disabled the option for some
reason, but it's still there if you know what URL to type).

-- 
  __<^>__   "Your pet, our passion." - Purina
 / _   _ \  "Your potential, our passion." - Microsoft, a few months later
( ( |_| ) )
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#4705

In message <almarsoft.6465933623555174130@news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:22:07 +0200, workstuff@mail.com wrote:
> 
> > If you are interested in retaining you sanity, I suggest you set up 
> a
> > half decent news reader client and download your "acorn" newsgroups.
> 
> It is a doddle with Thunderbird (on a PC). The protocol hasn't 
> changed much so probably Argonet's stuff would still work if I jacked 
> my RiscPC in. And right now I'm using GroundHog on an Android phone - 
> it isn't perfect but it's so much better than a crappy web interface.

I don't like tabs in mail, neither webmail nor TB. I suggest Claws as an
alternative or MPro (WLM).
> 
> I still use Yahoo! for my Mail! but I would run from the web version. 
> My poor mother is using an eeePC with a 1024x600 display and Yahoo! 
> Mail! which seems pathologically unable to understand that there are 
> alternatives to 1024x768 (so most of her mails have loads of blank 
> lines at the bottom to work around the editor going off the bottom of 
> the screen).
[snip]
There is a mobile phone interface for Yahoo that works with a normal
browser like Netsurf. The view is simpler than either the Old or New
Look Yahoo and loads quickly.

http://m.yahoo.com/?.intl=gb

I have MPro 6.03 connecting via IMAP to Yahoo. Officially this is an
IMAP connection for phones but it works (up to a point) with MPro.
Unfortunately the mobile Yahoo IMAP still doesn't quite agree with
RemoteNB on my BB (random freezes and disconnects). This problem
persists after upgrading to v3.13 of RemoteNB.

Cheers
Stan

-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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#4708

In article <a4749e7952.news@mistymornings.net>,
   <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:

> I don't like tabs in mail, neither webmail nor TB. I
> suggest Claws as an alternative or MPro (WLM).

Claws seems to me to be the least worst option for e-mail
under Windows. Given that I only do e-mail under Windows
when away from the office for ome length of time, I did not
want to use paid for software.

It is much less unpleasant than Thunderbird, IMO, but, apart
from the fact that it displays all the 'wonderful' flashy
HTML stuff in e-mail without any problems, it is not a patch
on Pluto. It cannot even import Pluto's address book, which
can be exported easily as a CSV file.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4717

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:57:39 +0200, workstuff@mail.com wrote:

> I don't like tabs in mail, neither webmail nor TB. I suggest Claws 
as
> an alternative

...or just turn off the tabs thing?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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