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Re: Towards true A.I.

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> > In other words: The academic field of Artificial Intelligence is a field
> > where once a phenomena is understood, it is no longer a part of that
> > field ;-)
> From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>
> Indeed. When I first studied AI checkers playing was an AI topic.
> Now, playing chess at the grand master level is not AI.

Because the solution found was a specific algorithm for a narrow
skill, rather than a general-purpose problem-solving algorithm.
Thus it was shown that such a single "needs a bright human" skill
was misunderstood, that in reality all it needed was a special
algorithm. If and when we find a way that a fixed computer
algorithm (self-training without any further major programming
changes) can learn not just the set of skills it was designed for
but a whole range of totally new skills, just about every kind of
problem-to-solve that we throw at it, then we would have A.I. that
remains A.I. rather than being demoted to "just another specialized
algorithm".

And furthermore, playing checkers, or playing chess, etc. are each
very very too specific to even be a component in my hodge-podge
model of intelligence. If, however, we build an algorithm that can
learn *every* board game just by reading the rules in mathematical
form (or reading the rules in natural language accompanied by some
coaching towards understanding what the rules really mean
mathematically), followed by ordinary practice and study just like
the way humans learn, that would be one step closer to the level of
generality required as a single component of my hodge-podge model
of intelligence. Yet another level of generalization would be an
algorithm that is able to learn not just board games but virtually
every contrived form of human competition, including Poker,
athletic games (individual and team), mating rituals, warfare,
economics, etc. That level of generality might actually match one
of the actual built-in human hodge-podge components.

So anybody want to guess when step 1 (all board games) and step 2
(all contrived forms of competition) will be achieved? I'll make a
wild guess: Another 50 years for each successive step, i.e. 2062
and 2112 respectively. Then an additional 100 years (2212) to learn
all the other components and algorithimize each, then another 50
years (2262) to put them all together into a true A.I. device.

Or maybe all we need to do is devise a good genetic algorithm for
breeding algorithms that accomplish each of the steps I outlined
above, and let the fastest "cloud" computing system in the world
run this genetic algorithm during all otherwise idle moments,
whereupon it might achieve these A.I. research results faster than
humans could. Perhaps the "Watson" program to sift through a huge
database of facts to find anything relevant to a "teaser" and then
evaluate relevance to the "teaser" could be modified to extract
from the collection of all online human knowledge anything that
might be relevant to this research project, thereby proposing
experimental algorithms to test against the goals I outlined above,
thus creating the pieces of "genome" to mix-and-match in the
genetic algorithm. And then every time somebody comes up with a new
idea for A.I. and posts the idea on the Internet, that idea is
immediately captured by Watson-2 and incorporated as another piece
of "genome". Once enough pieces are available to allow board games
to be automatically learned, perhaps those "genome" pieces will be
sufficient that no further human suggestions will be needed, i.e.
pure Darwinian evolution will be sufficient to finish the entire
R&D program, and voila: Colossus: The Forbin Project

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