Re: Saving data

From	billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups	comp.os.vms
Subject	Re: Saving data
Date	2011-04-30 23:57 +0000
Organization	Computing Sciences Dept., University of Scranton
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References	(1 earlier) <ipeg50$ss7$1@dont-email.me> <9200hrFba6U3@mid.individual.net> <alpine.LFD.2.00.1104290928060.24963@libra.gmcl.internal> <9205a8Fba6U7@mid.individual.net> <c80cf201-746f-430c-9ecf-289d2253ba2c@32g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>

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In article <c80cf201-746f-430c-9ecf-289d2253ba2c@32g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
	Alan Fay <alan_fay@symantec.com> writes:
> On Apr 29, 10:54 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>> In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1104290928060.24...@libra.gmcl.internal>,
>>         Rob Brown <mylastn...@gmcl.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 at 14:33 -0000, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>
>> >> In article <ipeg50$ss...@dont-email.me>,
>> >>        Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>> >>> If you can use FTP on the VMS box in client mode, you can write a
>> >>> DCL command procedure to walk the directory tree in question and
>> >>> write out FTP scripts to transfer the contents to a machine running
>> >>> a FTP server under your control.
>>
>> >> That implies copying to another VMS box.
>>
>> > I don't see why this follows.  DCL on the VMS box runs ftp to push
>> > files from there to the ftp server under your control, which ISTM
>> > could be UNIX or any other OS.
>>
>> OK, which just shows how little I know about DCL.  :-)  As you might
>> imagine it also makes it rather unlikely I have the requisite knowledge
>> or skill to write it.  :-)
>>
>> But I do appreciate all the help.  I am sure out of all of this I will
>> find a solution that will work for not just me but for others as well.
>>
>> Another quick question.  regarding ZIP.  If I build a copy of ZIP in my
>> own directory, what privs do I need to give it to let others use it to
>> zip up files in their directories?
>>
> Bill,
> Why don't you just take the advice of some very knowledgeable people
> here and just install UNZIP and ZIP on your OpenVMS system.  If you
> are not sure about the reliability of where you should download the
> executables (there is no need to rebuild from source) you can download
> the executables directly from the HP:
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/freeware/freeware.html
> As Steven and others have repeatedly said - It's not hard. Copy the
> executable for your system to the sys$common:[sysexe] directory, for
> example:
> $ copy/log unzip_axp.exe sys$common:[sysexe]
> %COPY-S-COPIED, DKB100:[VERITAS]UNZIP_AXP.EXE;1 copied to SYS$COMMON:
> [SYSEXE]UNZIP_AXP.EXE;4 (309 blocks)
> $
> and define the UNZIP symbol as a DCL command:
> $ unzip :== $sys$common:[sysexe]unzip_axp.exe
> include the leading dollar ($) character in the definition. Install
> the zip executable in the same way.
> Alan

You know, someone accused me of not listening or mis-interpreting but
sadly, so are a lot of other people. 

This is not my machine.  I am a mere user.  I can not install anything
(thus my asking what I would need to do for others to use ZIP from my
directory!!)  They would not install ZIP back when this was an active
machine for reasons I have stated here repeatedly not just in this thread
but often over the last 20 years.  They certainly would not consider
installing anything now.  they want to shut it down.  They want to kill
it.  They want VMS to be gone once and for all and they don't care if
users save their data or not.

If it were my machine:
1.  I would probably not be shutting it down
2.  I would be doing anything it took to make it easier for users to
    save their data.
3.  I would be the administrator and not have to ask stupid questions
    here in order to accomplish somehitng as a user with absolutely
    no priviledges.

bill

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Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
billg999@cs.scranton.edu |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>

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Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-29 13:43 +0000
  Re: Saving data Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2011-04-29 13:57 +0000
    Re: Saving data Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2011-04-29 14:13 +0000
    Re: Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-29 14:33 +0000
      Re: Saving data Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> - 2011-04-29 09:32 -0600
        Re: Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-29 15:54 +0000
          Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 09:04 -0700
            Re: Saving data Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-29 18:52 +0200
          Re: Saving data Alan Fay <alan_fay@symantec.com> - 2011-04-30 15:01 -0700
            Re: Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-30 23:57 +0000
              Re: Saving data glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-01 00:39 +0000
                Re: Saving data BillPedersen <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2011-04-30 18:06 -0700
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                Re: Saving data glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-01 05:36 +0000
              Re: Saving data JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-30 21:23 -0400
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                Re: Saving data glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-01 05:38 +0000
                Re: Saving data Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-04-30 22:58 -0700
                Re: Saving data "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> - 2011-05-01 11:50 +0200
                Re: Saving data koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-02 09:52 -0500
                Re: Saving data Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-01 17:28 +0200
                Re: Saving data glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-01 21:23 +0000
                Re: Saving data helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) - 2011-05-01 16:45 +0000
                Re: Saving data koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-02 09:47 -0500
              Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-30 19:40 -0700
              Re: Saving data helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) - 2011-05-01 16:43 +0000
                Re: Saving data koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-05-02 09:53 -0500
                Re: Saving data glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-05-02 17:35 +0000
            Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-30 19:23 -0700
              Re: Saving data Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-05-01 17:24 +0200
    Re: Saving data glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-04-29 17:50 +0000
      Re: Saving data Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2011-04-29 18:49 +0000
        Re: Saving data glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-04-29 21:08 +0000
          Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 15:00 -0700
            Re: Saving data glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-04-29 22:31 +0000
            Re: Saving data Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-30 15:49 +0200
      Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 15:15 -0700
  Re: Saving data chrisj.doran@proemail.co.uk - 2011-04-29 07:08 -0700
    Re: Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-29 14:39 +0000
      Re: Saving data chrisj.doran@proemail.co.uk - 2011-04-29 07:47 -0700
        Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 08:00 -0700
      Re: Saving data Ken Fairfield <ken.fairfield@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 08:05 -0700
        Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 08:13 -0700
      Re: Saving data Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-29 17:59 +0200
  Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 07:35 -0700
    Re: Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-29 15:13 +0000
      Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 08:36 -0700
      Re: Saving data Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> - 2011-04-29 10:03 -0600
  Re: Saving data JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-29 10:55 -0400
    Re: Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-29 15:16 +0000
      Re: Saving data Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2011-04-29 17:33 +0200
        Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 08:44 -0700
          Re: Saving data Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2011-04-29 17:49 +0200
            Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 09:09 -0700
        Re: Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-29 16:02 +0000
          Re: Saving data Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2011-04-29 19:26 +0200
            Re: Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-29 17:44 +0000
              Re: Saving data Ken Fairfield <ken.fairfield@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 12:30 -0700
              Re: Saving data Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2011-04-30 00:31 +0200
      Re: Saving data jbriggs444 <jbriggs444@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 08:38 -0700
        Re: Saving data billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-29 16:06 +0000
          Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 09:18 -0700
          Re: Saving data Ken Fairfield <ken.fairfield@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 12:18 -0700
      Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 08:48 -0700
    Re: Saving data helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) - 2011-04-29 15:50 +0000
  Re: Saving data helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) - 2011-04-29 15:49 +0000
  Re: Saving data Keith Parris <keithparris_deletethis@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-29 13:35 -0600
    Re: Saving data Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> - 2011-04-29 13:16 -0700
      Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 14:49 -0700
        Re: Saving data JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-29 19:41 -0400
    Re: Saving data Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 14:36 -0700
      Re: Saving data Ken Fairfield <ken.fairfield@gmail.com> - 2011-04-29 15:19 -0700
  Re: Saving data "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-04-29 20:35 -0400

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