Re: Why do I need to run Linux again? Seriously

From	Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com>
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Subject	Re: Why do I need to run Linux again? Seriously
Date	2011-04-15 10:58 -0400
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The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> 
>>> RonB wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:56:03 +0200, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately modern hardware is not always well supported by Linux,
>>>>> many consumer machines (desktop...netbook) only come with Windows device
>>>>> drivers, nothing available for other platforms. That's why I mostly use
>>>>> the supplied Windows for the host, and whatever else in VM's.
>>>> I'm curious what hardware you find that is not supported in Linux? 
>>> Depends on what you mean by 'supported'
>>>
>>>
>>> Not at all:
>>> ==========
>>>
>>> some wifi chipsets.
>> 
>> Haven't encountered that.
>> 
>>> Badly:
>>> ======
>>>
>>> A lot of onboard graphics with the exception of Nvidia chipsets.
>> 
>> Huh?
>
> By BADLY I mean at sub-optimal frame rates.
>
> Lets be explicit. I have an Intel motherboard with onboard chipset.
>
> It always WORKED, but full screen flash was jerky. Yeah flash is crap, 
> but its the chosen medium for a lot of online video.
>
> After going for the latest bleeding edge kernel and videop, it was 
> almost acceptable.
>
> Till I fell in love with a particular linux 3d game (ashamed to admit it).
>
> This was unplayable.
>
> Stuck an Nvidia card in, and that plays well. The nvidia driver has all 
> the 3D acceleration that the Intel one did not, despite a lot of those 
> features being there in hardware allwgedly.

I see what you mean by "badly".  However, that is a stupid way to put it.
You are talking about a lack of 3D acceleration.

However, even that hasn't hampered my non-game usage:  full-screen flash and
MOV/MPEG files on Intel hardware.

>> 
>> HP?  No support for Linux at all?  Bullshit.
>> 
>
> Please tell me where I can find EXPLICIT support for an HP 1525n color 
> printer, so I can install the CORRECT drivers then.

Is your printer in this list:

   http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html

I will, however, RETRACT my "Bullshit" right now.  Here's why:

   http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html

   Note: HPLIP is an open source solution for most HP printers and
   all-in-ones.  Some printers, however, are unsupported. The reasons for
   this may include issues with intellectual property, technical issues, or
   limited production numbers. Be advised that printers that appear on the
   unsupported list may never be supported by HPLIP.

And the list is a LOT longer than I would have expected:

   http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/unsupported.html

Sounds like a Linux user should avoid anything with "DesignJet" in it.

You're model is not in that list.

I think you might be able to use this:

   http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/install/index.html

I had to use that with our new HP printer (HP p1606dn laser).

There's an even harder manual install (Debian shown):

   http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/debian.html

>> Generally, I just forge ahead, and get it working if I have to.
>> I rarely get bitten by that strategy, frankly.
>
> So do I, but there have been some complete failures.
>
> The scanner - again an HP scanjet 2400 - simply wasn't supportable with 
> anything I could find.
>
> I had to hand patch PPDS for a friends big A3 Ricoh color lasers.
>
> But the result was well worth it.
>
> Another minor annoyance is that Postscript still doesn't handle 
> transparent background images in PDF printing.
>
> Like you, I am happy to trade a bit of installation ease and slightly 
> lower access to 'feetchas' for a rock solid OS..I have just rebooted 
> this one after 6 weeks to install a kernel upgrade..the server hasn't 
> been rebooted since the last power cut in November :-)
>
> Ok I have a memory leak in Firefox 4, that means THAT needs daily 
> restarting, but its not the whole machine.
>
> I would never go back to Windows. But that doesn't make me blind to the 
> problems of not using it.

Sure.  However, I see plenty of problem with using it (Windows).

> Sadly I am not enough of a hacker these days to start reverse 
> engineering scanner divers and so making scanners etc work better, nor 
> of fixing the numerous irritations in various bits of gnome code, but at 
> least in principle I can,or someone can. Unlike windows.
>
> Right now a linux base with virtual box for a stripped down XP for three 
> programs I need occupationally is far and away a better bet than a 
> windows 7 setup.
>
> If my sole desire was to play Duke Nukem etc, then I would run native 
> windows. It isn't, so I don't.


-- 
<evilkalla> heh, I never took a coding class
<evilkalla> or a graphics class
<evilkalla> or a software design class
<vegan> and it shows :P

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                Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2011-04-15 20:26 -0700
                Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-16 07:45 +0100
                Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2011-04-15 23:55 -0700
                Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-16 08:03 +0100
                Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2011-04-16 00:09 -0700
  Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Richard Rasker <spamtrap@linetec.nl> - 2011-04-15 11:19 +0200
  Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-15 10:34 +0100
  Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously John <john@nowhere.com> - 2011-04-15 10:59 -0400
    Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 17:04 +0200
      Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously John <john@nowhere.com> - 2011-04-15 11:37 -0400
  Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Larry Blanchard <lblanch@fastmail.fm> - 2011-04-15 15:30 +0000
    Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> - 2011-04-17 11:57 -0400
  Why do I need to run Windows again? Seriously. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2011-04-15 13:48 -0500
  Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2011-04-16 22:33 -0400
    Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Doug Laidlaw <doug@douglaidlaw.net> - 2011-04-18 10:03 +1000
  Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.rr.com> - 2011-04-21 09:48 -0400
  Re: Why do I need to run Linux again?  Seriously Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-04-25 14:57 +0000

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