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| From | Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.setup |
| Subject | Re: Why do I need to run Linux again? Seriously |
| Date | 2011-04-15 11:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <90qfjcFghpU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <41c0852c-6e86-4c75-9c44-a6eb58187df5@w7g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <io8ots$qlv$1@dont-email.me> <-tednV1yqNQ4bDrQnZ2dnUVZ8g2dnZ2d@lyse.net> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
David Brown schrieb: > On 15/04/2011 08:34, Michael B. Trausch wrote: >> On 04/15/2011 02:18 AM, RayLopez99 wrote: >>> Why would anybody run Linux in a virtual OS program like VMware? >> >> Assuming that your question is a serious one, the only answers I can >> think of are along the lines of when someone is working somewhere that >> uses Windows on the workstations, but Linux on the servers. Though even >> then, presumably in that sort of situation you'd have a testing >> environment instead of having to test on a VM. >> > > His question wasn't serious - he is trolling as usual. ACK > However, it is still possible to have a real thread on the subject. I > run Linux on servers, and have two desktops at the office - one XP, and > one Fedora. At home I have a Fedora desktop and a Mint laptop. I run > VirtualBox (not VMware) on all of these, and have both Windows and Linux > virtual machines on each. I'm using both VirtualBox and VMWare. The latter for historical reasons, and because it supports more OS's (e.g. very small Win98 machines). Unfortunately modern hardware is not always well supported by Linux, many consumer machines (desktop...netbook) only come with Windows device drivers, nothing available for other platforms. That's why I mostly use the supplied Windows for the host, and whatever else in VM's. DoDi
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Re: Why do I need to run Linux again? Seriously JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2011-04-15 15:47 -0500
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Re: Why do I need to run Linux again? Seriously flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> - 2011-04-16 11:14 -0400
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Re: Why do I need to run Linux again? Seriously flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> - 2011-04-16 12:01 -0400
Re: Why do I need to run Linux again? Seriously DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2011-04-16 16:52 -0400
Re: Why do I need to run Linux again? Seriously RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 08:33 -0700
Re: Why do I need to run Linux again? Seriously Robin T Cox <nomai@nomail.net> - 2011-04-16 12:43 -0500
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