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| Started by | Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> |
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| First post | 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100 |
| Last post | 2025-12-04 07:15 +0000 |
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Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-22 19:20 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-23 02:17 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 14:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 13:09 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 02:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-22 20:18 -0700
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 01:45 +0000
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 18:06 -0800
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:13 +0000
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 02:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:37 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 15:40 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-03 07:39 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:46 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-16 02:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 02:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 17:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-17 10:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:34 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-05 20:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-05 15:57 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 19:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-06 15:13 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-06 22:28 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 01:39 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 06:19 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-06 22:50 -0800
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-07 10:52 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-22 12:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:34 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:41 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-16 07:39 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:57 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:13 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:58 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:48 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-07 00:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-07 19:39 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:27 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:31 -0700
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:46 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:53 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 22:25 -0800
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:48 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:43 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 16:31 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 19:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 12:14 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:46 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:07 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:15 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:30 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 11:52 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 14:25 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:26 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 12:15 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:13 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:19 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 00:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:58 +0000
Greek origins of Christian scriptures [was Re: Recent history of vi] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-09 04:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-12-09 04:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-10 19:34 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-12 16:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-14 04:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:21 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 07:38 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 06:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:07 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-11 20:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:57 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 02:01 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 02:27 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:28 +0100
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:43 -0800
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 09:57 +0100
EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-12 09:53 +0000
Re: EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 11:51 +0100
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:26 +0000
Re: EU Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-13 12:01 +0100
Re: EU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:23 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:59 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 21:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:24 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:47 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:57 +0000
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 13:27 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:05 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:34 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:42 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 18:14 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:55 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 20:05 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 23:15 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:32 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:53 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:06 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:02 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:18 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:03 -0500
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:26 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:29 -0500
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-18 17:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:32 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 10:47 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:01 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:03 +0000
Re: EU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 14:08 -0800
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 22:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:12 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:41 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 07:06 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:21 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:06 +0000
Re: EU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-22 14:41 -0800
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 19:47 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 22:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:32 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:24 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:36 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:27 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:40 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-24 07:02 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:32 +0000
Re: EU Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:04 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:21 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-22 16:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:20 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:39 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:10 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:29 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 20:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:52 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 00:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:07 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 00:04 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 07:43 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:30 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 20:27 +0100
Yes,{, Prime} Minister (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-15 15:44 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 10:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-17 13:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:06 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 23:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpp70eF4g71U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78502 |
On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 16:26:57 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > - translators very much having their own ideas (usually influenced by > their own cultural and historical context) and coloring their > "translations" with them Luther's first edition didn't include the Epistle of James. https://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/james/2/17-26?ssi=0 Saying that faith without works is empty goes against the sola fide doctrine. Can't have that. The 'Apocrypha' also was questionable. Second Maccabees suggests prayers for the dead are effective. Can't have that either.
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 18:17 -0500 |
| Subject | Greek origins of Christian scriptures [was Re: Recent history of vi] |
| Message-ID | <mddv7ihswyn.fsf_-_@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #78439 |
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> writes:
> The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an
> educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language
> the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke and it
> conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so
> they needed the clergy as "interpreters".
Oh, wrong on so many planes.
The Christian part of "the Bible" (which in English subsumes both Hebrew and
Aramaic texts inherited from the Jews, and Greek originals written beginning
c. 70CE about an Aramaic speaking individual from Judaea, using stories
borrowed from various West Asian inspired "mystery" religions) was *translated*
into Latin in the 4th Century CE *because that was the language of the populace
of western Europe*.
This translation was made not to *obscure* but to *illuminate* the scriptures
for people who could not read the original Greek.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 01:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h5a1j$3rsmf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78439 |
In comp.os.linux.misc Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>> >>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >>>> utility in later life. >>> >>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, >>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages. >> >> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics, >> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that >> language of an educated European. > > The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an > educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language > the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke and it > conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so > they needed the clergy as "interpreters". The reason is likely simpler than that. Most books of the Bible are very old, predating modern languages. So it could only have been originally written down using a written language that existed at the time of that writing. At the time, the choices might have been Latin and/or Greek as languages, and given the impact the Romans had on the proto religion that came to be known as Christanity, and the Romans subsequent embrace of the same, having the bible books written in (or translated into -- the more likely possibility) Latin because of the Roman empire embrace of Christanity is much more likely the reason than the "elites" wanting to be sure the mere peasants could not read it. Of course, once Christanity spread across Europe, the elites maintaining their elite status by keeping the bible in a language only spoken by the "properly educated highbrows" clearly is why it remained untranslated to other languages for so long.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h62iv$r4s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78446 |
On 08/12/2025 01:35, Rich wrote: > So it could only have been > originally written down using a written language that existed at the > time of that writing. At the time, the choices might have been Latin > and/or Greek as languages, and given the impact the Romans had on the > proto religion that came to be known as Christanity, and the Romans > subsequent embrace of the same, having the bible books written in (or > translated into -- the more likely possibility) Latin because of the > Roman empire embrace of Christanity is much more likely the reason than > the "elites" wanting to be sure the mere peasants could not read it. Originally in Aramaic and Hebrew. Not Latin. And IIRC translated first into Greek. And finally into the King James English version which is taken as The One True Word Of God by an awful lot of people. -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 14:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <830j0mxn2u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78446 |
On 2025-12-08 02:35, Rich wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>> >>>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >>>>> utility in later life. >>>> >>>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, >>>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages. >>> >>> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics, >>> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that >>> language of an educated European. >> >> The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an >> educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language >> the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke and it >> conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so >> they needed the clergy as "interpreters". > > The reason is likely simpler than that. Most books of the Bible are > very old, predating modern languages. So it could only have been > originally written down using a written language that existed at the > time of that writing. At the time, the choices might have been Latin > and/or Greek as languages, and given the impact the Romans had on the > proto religion that came to be known as Christanity, and the Romans > subsequent embrace of the same, having the bible books written in (or > translated into -- the more likely possibility) Latin because of the > Roman empire embrace of Christanity is much more likely the reason than > the "elites" wanting to be sure the mere peasants could not read it. > > Of course, once Christanity spread across Europe, the elites > maintaining their elite status by keeping the bible in a language only > spoken by the "properly educated highbrows" clearly is why it remained > untranslated to other languages for so long. I have a catholic bible in 6 thick tomes from about 1850 which has one column in latin, taken from the vulgata, and another column in Spanish. Then the bottom half are foot notes. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-09 01:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mppb8qF4g71U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78493 |
On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 14:23:20 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I have a catholic bible in 6 thick tomes from about 1850 which has one > column in latin, taken from the vulgata, and another column in Spanish. > Then the bottom half are foot notes. The Douay-Rheims is a translation of the Vulgate. Pius XII suggested a new translation from the Hebrew and Greek that resulted in the Jerusalem Bible, which is the one I have. The first version was in French but that spurred an English translation. The editors of the New Jerusalem Bible thought the Jerusalem Bible was more a translation from French than the original sources and tried again. Then there was the Revised New Jerusalem Bible that was supposed to be more literal but had gender inclusive language. Will the real bible please stand up?
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| From | Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-09 04:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eli$2512082325@qaz.wtf> |
| In reply to | #78532 |
In comp.os.linux.misc, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > The Douay-Rheims is a translation of the Vulgate. Pius XII suggested a new > translation from the Hebrew and Greek that resulted in the Jerusalem > Bible, which is the one I have. The first version was in French but that > spurred an English translation. The editors of the New Jerusalem Bible > thought the Jerusalem Bible was more a translation from French than the > original sources and tried again. Then there was the Revised New Jerusalem > Bible that was supposed to be more literal but had gender inclusive > language. > > Will the real bible please stand up? I think it predates version control. Definitely predates Linux. It is amazing to me how far off-topic this group gets. Have you considered taking it to misc.misc? Elijah ------ resisting the urge to put something on the Followup-To header line
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2025-12-09 04:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mppnv2F71vrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78535 |
In article <eli$2512082325@qaz.wtf>, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote: >In comp.os.linux.misc, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> The Douay-Rheims is a translation of the Vulgate. Pius XII suggested a new >> translation from the Hebrew and Greek that resulted in the Jerusalem >> Bible, which is the one I have. The first version was in French but that >> spurred an English translation. The editors of the New Jerusalem Bible >> thought the Jerusalem Bible was more a translation from French than the >> original sources and tried again. Then there was the Revised New Jerusalem >> Bible that was supposed to be more literal but had gender inclusive >> language. >> >> Will the real bible please stand up? > >I think it predates version control. Definitely predates Linux. > >It is amazing to me how far off-topic this group gets. > I read the title as "Secret history of vi". -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 15:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <0ubo0mxe95.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78535 |
On 2025-12-09 05:25, Eli the Bearded wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> The Douay-Rheims is a translation of the Vulgate. Pius XII suggested a new >> translation from the Hebrew and Greek that resulted in the Jerusalem >> Bible, which is the one I have. The first version was in French but that >> spurred an English translation. The editors of the New Jerusalem Bible >> thought the Jerusalem Bible was more a translation from French than the >> original sources and tried again. Then there was the Revised New Jerusalem >> Bible that was supposed to be more literal but had gender inclusive >> language. >> >> Will the real bible please stand up? > > I think it predates version control. Definitely predates Linux. > > It is amazing to me how far off-topic this group gets. > > Have you considered taking it to misc.misc? I took a look. 80 messages since 2022-07. They stopped on 2023-09 (most came from google), then one on 2025-04. > > Elijah > ------ > resisting the urge to put something on the Followup-To header line -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 16:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hc8ua$1knej$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78702 |
On 10/12/2025 14:16, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-09 05:25, Eli the Bearded wrote: >> In comp.os.linux.misc, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> The Douay-Rheims is a translation of the Vulgate. Pius XII suggested >>> a new >>> translation from the Hebrew and Greek that resulted in the Jerusalem >>> Bible, which is the one I have. The first version was in French but that >>> spurred an English translation. The editors of the New Jerusalem Bible >>> thought the Jerusalem Bible was more a translation from French than the >>> original sources and tried again. Then there was the Revised New >>> Jerusalem >>> Bible that was supposed to be more literal but had gender inclusive >>> language. >>> >>> Will the real bible please stand up? >> >> I think it predates version control. Definitely predates Linux. >> >> It is amazing to me how far off-topic this group gets. >> >> Have you considered taking it to misc.misc? > > I took a look. 80 messages since 2022-07. They stopped on 2023-09 (most > came from google), then one on 2025-04. > >> >> Elijah >> ------ >> resisting the urge to put something on the Followup-To header line > We need a new newsgroup - talking.bollocks - for idle chitchat -- For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. H.L.Mencken
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 02:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpuq5jF25b1U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78714 |
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 16:59:54 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > We need a new newsgroup - talking.bollocks - for idle chitchat The best part of usenet -- no gods and no masters.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 19:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10hde40$1v538$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78737 |
On 12/10/25 18:55, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 16:59:54 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> We need a new newsgroup - talking.bollocks - for idle chitchat > > The best part of usenet -- no gods and no masters. Hear! Hear! bliss
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| From | drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 16:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tUmdnXMGfuqEoqH0nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78737 |
> The best part of usenet -- no gods and no masters. Oh how the Cabal have fallen.
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 15:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20251213155155.2d4985e133d42d1341aa8d4b@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #78937 |
On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 16:13:13 +0000 drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) wrote: > > The best part of usenet -- no gods and no masters. > > Oh how the Cabal have fallen. TINC (any more) -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 04:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Psr%Q.199388$yuY3.184370@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #79012 |
On 2025-12-13, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 16:13:13 +0000
> drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) wrote:
>
>>> The best part of usenet -- no gods and no masters.
>>
>> Oh how the Cabal have fallen.
>
> TINC (any more)
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled
was convincing the world he didn't exist.
-- The Usual Suspects
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 21:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10hlhhh$nvb5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79051 |
On 12/13/25 20:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-12-13, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 16:13:13 +0000 >> drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) wrote: >> >>>> The best part of usenet -- no gods and no masters. >>> >>> Oh how the Cabal have fallen. >> >> TINC (any more) > > The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled > was convincing the world he didn't exist. > -- The Usual Suspects > The greatest trick ever played was the priest convincing the people that the great sky god had intent. You know that to be a good Satanist (old style) you had to be a faithful Christian because otherwise the Black Mass and desecration of the communion wafers would be pointless. Since the devil never showed up when called upon except in the person of the Priest celebrating the Black Mass it provided plenty of evidence for lack of a specific Satan. "The Shadow Knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men." They all try to blame it on the Devil. bliss
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 00:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10i4q71$1ij4f$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79051 |
On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 04:57:19 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled > was convincing the world he didn't exist. > -- The Usual Suspects Funny how religious people keep saying this god is true, those others are false, yet they never argue over which devil is true and which other ones are false ... Tells you something about their core beliefs, doesn’t it ...
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 05:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqmrscF2n74U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79533 |
On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 00:21:54 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 04:57:19 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world >> he didn't exist. >> -- The Usual Suspects > > Funny how religious people keep saying this god is true, those others > are false, yet they never argue over which devil is true and which other > ones are false ... > > Tells you something about their core beliefs, doesn’t it ... Loki is the true devil. I like a system where the Gods have their own problems and the closest thing to a devil is a pain in the ass that's sometimes helpful.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpms1hFm88sU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78439 |
On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:54:28 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an > educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language > the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke and it > conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so > they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the > Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common > people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading > the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin) > to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy > trying to remain gatekeepers ... Given the theological novelties Billie Joe Fuddrucker of the Church of Jesus Christ With Signs Following' can find, let alone Scofield, Darby, and Co come up with it would have been better written in Klingon. If you rewind far enough, the bible was translated to Greek since many Jews could no longer read Hebrew. It lost out in the competition at the Council of Trent but the Vetus Latina was one of many translations from the Septuagint rather than the Hebrew original. Jerome translated from Hebrew into Latin, creating the Vulgate, around 400. Luther tried to follow Erasmus' Greek version that had been patched together for several extant manuscripts but his Greek and Hebrew weren't all that great. The Textus Receptus followed the same path. Strangely, some references in the KJV can only be found in the Septuagint. Rapture me up, Jesus.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h61qm$dbs$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78439 |
On 07/12/2025 21:54, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>> >>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >>>> utility in later life. >>> >>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, >>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages. >> >> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics, >> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that >> language of an educated European. > > The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an > educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language > the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke i.e the language of the educated European... > and it > conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so > they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the > Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common > people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading > the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin) > to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy > trying to remain gatekeepers ... > Bit like the EU today isn't it? >> Today it tends to be English. > > Used to be German for a lot of engineering and science, especially > chemistry, but then some idiots started that WW1 nonsense. > >> As someone remarked 'It's hard to teach >> geology in Afrikaans' and I was unsuccessful in translating engineering >> terms into Zulu. > > I assume the biggest point was boot-strapping the concepts into a > language that didn't have much use for them before for historical > reasons? > Well that, and the absence of text books. >> My nephew is completely bi lingual. and I asked him whether he read Kant >> in the German. >> 'No' he said ' the English translations are clearer.' > > Eh, philosophers have a tendency to not be the clearest writers ... > > Kind regards, > Alex. -- Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is that they are dead. Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.
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