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| Started by | "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> |
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| First post | 2024-07-19 11:47 -0400 |
| Last post | 2024-08-16 23:48 -0400 |
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Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-19 11:47 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-19 16:45 +0042
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-19 12:27 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-19 23:18 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-19 21:53 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-20 02:12 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-19 22:57 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-20 04:35 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-20 02:00 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-20 06:21 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-20 17:43 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-20 19:05 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-07-20 07:52 -0500
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-20 04:53 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-20 17:18 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-20 19:16 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 00:53 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-20 04:30 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-20 08:39 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-20 17:25 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> - 2024-07-20 19:10 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-20 00:56 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-20 11:08 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-20 14:21 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 00:55 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-21 00:41 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 05:47 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-21 13:58 -0700
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 23:14 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-21 09:25 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-21 14:14 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-07-20 16:05 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-20 23:23 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 00:58 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-21 16:37 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-21 18:36 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-21 22:04 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-22 05:31 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-22 06:05 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-22 18:43 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-22 19:49 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-22 20:43 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 00:57 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 00:55 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-21 00:44 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 05:46 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-21 00:45 -0400
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-21 11:23 +0200
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-07-21 18:01 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-21 23:39 +0200
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-21 09:36 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-21 14:20 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-22 08:40 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-22 16:44 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-21 23:12 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-21 23:27 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-22 08:36 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-22 16:49 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-22 18:19 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-22 18:26 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-22 17:46 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-23 00:38 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-07-23 02:00 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-23 02:43 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> - 2024-07-20 13:49 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-31 05:30 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-30 22:58 -0700
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-31 06:23 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-04 12:45 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-04 22:25 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 09:30 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 10:23 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 11:17 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-07-31 07:49 -0700
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 16:34 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-31 17:45 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-01 01:45 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 17:55 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-01 09:39 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-01 10:35 +0100
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-31 13:41 +0000
Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-31 17:52 +0100
Linux at scale (was: Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-04 12:35 +0000
Re: Linux at scale Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-08-04 08:42 -0700
Re: Linux at scale vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-04 17:54 +0000
Re: Linux at scale Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-04 22:30 +0000
MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-05 02:34 +0000
Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-05 02:45 +0000
Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-08-04 22:39 -0500
Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-05 04:10 +0000
Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 02:09 -0400
Re: MS Access vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-07 01:56 +0000
Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> - 2024-08-05 13:38 +0100
Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-06 00:25 +0000
Re: MS Access "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-08-06 02:56 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-06 23:37 +0000
Re: MS Access Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> - 2024-08-07 12:38 +0100
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 21:43 +0000
Re: MS Access Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 07:50 +0000
Re: MS Access Big Al <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-08-08 10:43 -0400
Re: MS Access Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 19:42 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 01:16 +0000
Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-08 17:42 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-12 01:06 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-12 08:38 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-13 01:51 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 21:49 +0000
Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-14 02:48 +0000
Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-14 02:50 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 03:36 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-14 03:52 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:49 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-14 03:50 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:51 +0000
Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-14 16:52 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 21:37 +0000
Re: MS Access sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-08-14 18:22 -0500
Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-15 00:30 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-16 02:22 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 00:14 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-17 07:25 +0000
Re: MS Access Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-08-17 23:44 -0700
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-18 05:28 -0400
Re: MS Access Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-08-18 11:49 +0200
Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-18 19:36 +0000
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-18 20:42 -0400
Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-19 20:44 +0000
Re: MS Access p.dean@gmx.com (Peter Dean) - 2024-08-19 05:37 +0000
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-19 03:18 -0400
Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-19 20:51 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 23:55 +0000
Re: MS Access Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-18 08:43 +0000
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-18 13:55 -0400
Re: MS Access vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-15 04:24 +0000
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-15 14:53 -0400
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 00:22 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-17 07:24 +0000
Re: MS Access Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-08-17 23:46 -0700
Re: MS Access The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-18 10:14 +0100
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-19 23:55 -0400
Re: MS Access rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-08-20 04:56 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-19 23:23 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 23:52 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 01:15 +0000
Re: MS Access Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 06:29 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 06:32 +0000
Re: MS Access Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> - 2024-08-08 12:19 +0100
Re: MS Access Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-08-08 13:21 +0100
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 01:15 +0000
Re: MS Access Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-08-09 08:51 +0100
Re: MS Access Big Al <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-08-05 09:03 -0400
Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-08-05 12:05 -0700
Re: MS Access "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-08-05 19:32 -0400
Re: MS Access not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-06 08:47 +1000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-06 00:26 +0000
Re: MS Access vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-07 02:16 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 02:29 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 02:02 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 06:45 +0000
Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-07 22:30 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 22:44 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 21:44 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 03:11 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-12 00:28 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-12 08:38 +0000
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-12 14:16 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 02:10 +0000
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-13 12:53 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 21:43 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-13 01:33 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 21:44 +0000
Re: MS Access jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-08-13 23:21 +0100
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 22:53 +0000
Re: MS Access jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-08-14 09:19 +0100
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:47 +0000
Re: MS Access The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-14 10:09 +0100
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-16 02:20 +0000
Re: MS Access Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-16 09:11 +0100
Re: MS Access The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-16 09:21 +0100
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-13 23:28 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 03:29 +0000
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-14 04:13 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:48 +0000
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-14 12:49 -0400
Re: MS Access Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-14 16:55 +0000
Re: MS Access candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-11 05:30 +0000
Re: MS Access Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-11 07:17 +0000
Re: MS Access candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-22 21:00 +0000
Re: MS Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-08-11 04:15 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-11 09:07 +0000
Re: MS Access candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-23 22:00 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-11 09:06 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 21:39 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 03:12 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-12 00:23 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-12 08:39 +0000
Re: MS Access Just Me <meeeeee@meeeee.com> - 2024-08-07 12:59 +0000
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 21:42 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-07 21:53 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 03:13 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-12 00:33 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-12 08:41 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-13 01:31 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-13 21:46 +0000
Re: MS Access "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-14 03:42 -0400
Re: MS Access Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-14 08:49 +0000
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-31 13:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v8deuj$1k481$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57491 |
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote: > On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote: >> John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> wrote at 13:49 this Saturday (GMT): >>> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc >>> >>> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote: >>>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes: >>>> >>>>> Ah ... wunnerful Winders :-) >>>>> >>>>> It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ... >>>> >>>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic >>>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture. >>> >>> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo. >> >> You mean polkit? > > No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0." > <https://www.howtogeek.com/will-linux-run0-command-run-sudo-out-of-town/> > Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even > more problems. "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su". > which invoked superuser privileges. su still exists, even on Ubuntu systems. It's just that Ubuntu's 'user docs' (as they are) only talk about sudo, and you know the old saying: Learn Ubuntu and you learn Ubuntu, learn Slackware and you learn Unix. > You had to use your root account password but Ubuntu decided that > was dangerous so to invoke the same privileges you can use your user > accont passwork. sudo long predates Ubuntu <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudo> (initial release "around 1980"). > Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too > much of their projected userbase to remember User account > password and root password. For traditional Unix systems (multiple users all logged on to the same system at the same time) the /premise/ of sudo provides some value add. You can grant individual, more trusted, users rights to do things as root, without having to share the root password with them in order to do so. For typical Ubuntu setups (single user who is system owner and the only user) sudo adds no value add over just becoming root via su (other than, as you say, not having to remember a 'root' password).
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-31 17:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v8dq3m$1m377$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57510 |
On 31/07/2024 14:41, Rich wrote: > > For typical Ubuntu setups (single user who is system owner and the only > user) sudo adds no value add over just becoming root via su (other > than, as you say, not having to remember a 'root' password). > I say it does. Fat finger proofing. If I HAVE to type sudo every time I want to do something sysadmin-ish it forces me to stop and think just a little. And sometimes prevents me from doing what I really didnt want to do Anyqay, as with most of these religious arguments, you have the choice. I choose to use both. Like I used the command line AND the GUI. -- Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don't work to a problem that doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-08-04 12:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Linux at scale (was: Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday) |
| Message-ID | <lh9ateF6q3tU14@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57491 |
On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:58:28 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in <v8cjq4$1f67q$1@dont-email.me>: > On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote: >> John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> wrote at 13:49 this Saturday (GMT): >>> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc >>> >>> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote: >>>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes: >>>> >>>>> Ah ... wunnerful Winders :-) >>>>> >>>>> It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ... >>>> >>>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic >>>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture. >>> >>> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo. >> >> You mean polkit? > > No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0." > <https://www.howtogeek.com/will-linux-run0-command-run-sudo-out-of-town/> > Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even > more problems. "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su". > which invoked superuser privileges. You had to use your root > account password but Ubuntu decided that was dangerous so to invoke > the same privileges you can use your user accont passwork. > Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too > much of their projected userbase to remember User account > password and root password. Actually, sudo(8) isn't a bad implementation of su(8), it's just "different". You can set sudo to use the root password, which is what I do for my personal systems. Requiring the user password is default, and works better for systems with shared administration where you have to control what the person runs. For cases where you have multiple (remote) administrators that need "root" access, that's better handled with ssh keys and clever key management on the target host. Another way to handle it is separate usernames (e.g. "suvallor") that have their own home directory, but uid/gid 0. Quite a few of our systems are multi-user. Even used to have a customer shell server until demand for that dried up. Right now, one system is used by employees who need to run tools that interface with our back end systems. Login credentials are handled with Active Directory, the domain of which is joined with sssd(8). > The system on my computer uses SysV.init and "su". > > bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.07- Linux 6.6.42- 5.27.11 Nice! I've said for a few years now that Linux _is_ ready for most home users, as well as enterprise desktops. For example, we use MS Teams at work -- I'm not happy about it, but I can use it from Linux through the web site. Same goes for MS Office. The problem is you can't take your Linux laptop to (say) Best Buy and expect them to help with a problem. The legendary "year of the Linux desktop" won't happen until there's some kind of _local_ support network in place. And a lot of folks will get help with their Windows systems from a relative, who is more likely to have Windows experience than Linux chops. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2024-08-04 08:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Linux at scale |
| Message-ID | <v8o7hq$45kh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57687 |
On 8/4/24 05:35, vallor wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:58:28 -0700, Bobbie Sellers > <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in > <v8cjq4$1f67q$1@dont-email.me>: > >> On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote: >>> John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> wrote at 13:49 this Saturday (GMT): >>>> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc >>>> >>>> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote: >>>>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Ah ... wunnerful Winders :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ... >>>>> >>>>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic >>>>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture. >>>> >>>> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo. >>> >>> You mean polkit? >> >> No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0." >> <https://www.howtogeek.com/will-linux-run0-command-run-sudo-out-of-town/> >> Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even >> more problems. "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su". >> which invoked superuser privileges. You had to use your root >> account password but Ubuntu decided that was dangerous so to invoke >> the same privileges you can use your user accont passwork. >> Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too >> much of their projected userbase to remember User account >> password and root password. > > Actually, sudo(8) isn't a bad implementation of su(8), it's > just "different". > > You can set sudo to use the root password, which is what I do > for my personal systems. Requiring the user password is default, > and works better for systems with shared administration where > you have to control what the person runs. > > For cases where you have multiple (remote) administrators that need > "root" access, that's better handled with ssh keys and > clever key management on the target host. Another way to > handle it is separate usernames (e.g. "suvallor") that have > their own home directory, but uid/gid 0. > > Quite a few of our systems are multi-user. Even used to have > a customer shell server until demand for that dried up. Right > now, one system is used by employees who need to run tools that > interface with our back end systems. Login credentials are handled > with Active Directory, the domain of which is joined with sssd(8). > >> The system on my computer uses SysV.init and "su". >> >> bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.07- Linux 6.6.42- 5.27.11 > > Nice! I've said for a few years now that Linux _is_ ready for > most home users, as well as enterprise desktops. > > For example, we use MS Teams at work -- I'm not happy about > it, but I can use it from Linux through the web site. Same > goes for MS Office. > > The problem is you can't take your Linux laptop to (say) Best > Buy and expect them to help with a problem. The legendary > "year of the Linux desktop" won't happen until there's some > kind of _local_ support network in place. And a lot of folks > will get help with their Windows systems from a relative, who > is more likely to have Windows experience than Linux chops. > Well that Local Support group is available all over the place. It is called the Internet and Linux Users Groups. I used to be the placeholder whe went into a local cafe and held down space for the other users attending. Nearly all Metropolitan areas have local Computer Users Groups and I living in San Francisco am a member more or less of SF-LUG ,but I write a Linux News Column for the Champaign- Urbana Users Group, CUCUG. Aslo in online support we have a very good PCLinuxOS Users Forum where we users converge with coders and with packagers for help and to help where we are competent with our problems on our Laptops and other machines. One of the now-passed members even had his own brand of desktop to sell to anyone who could not run for whatever reason PCLinuxOS on the machines available to them. At SF-LUG we had a capable hardware person before Covid-19 Restrictions went into play. We have had one real life meeting since then just before the Delta Wave. Maybe SF-LUG will go back to in person meetings at some point in the future but I started in my 60s and now I am 87 and plagued with many long-term problems. So if it happens soon enough maybe one more in person event for me before I abandon Usenet and PCLinuxOS along with the rest of the joys of life. bliss-as old as sin. -- b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-08-04 17:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux at scale |
| Message-ID | <lh9tj0F6q3tU28@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57695 |
On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 08:42:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in <v8o7hq$45kh$1@dont-email.me>: > On 8/4/24 05:35, vallor wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:58:28 -0700, Bobbie Sellers >> <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in >> <v8cjq4$1f67q$1@dont-email.me>: >> >>> On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote: >>>> John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> wrote at 13:49 this Saturday >>>> (GMT): >>>>> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc >>>>> >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote: >>>>>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ah ... wunnerful Winders :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic >>>>>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture. >>>>> >>>>> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo. >>>> >>>> You mean polkit? >>> >>> No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0." >>> <https://www.howtogeek.com/will-linux-run0-command-run-sudo-out-of- town/> >>> Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even >>> more problems. "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su". >>> which invoked superuser privileges. You had to use your root account >>> password but Ubuntu decided that was dangerous so to invoke the same >>> privileges you can use your user accont passwork. >>> Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too >>> much of their projected userbase to remember User account password and >>> root password. >> >> Actually, sudo(8) isn't a bad implementation of su(8), it's just >> "different". >> >> You can set sudo to use the root password, which is what I do for my >> personal systems. Requiring the user password is default, and works >> better for systems with shared administration where you have to control >> what the person runs. >> >> For cases where you have multiple (remote) administrators that need >> "root" access, that's better handled with ssh keys and clever key >> management on the target host. Another way to handle it is separate >> usernames (e.g. "suvallor") that have their own home directory, but >> uid/gid 0. >> >> Quite a few of our systems are multi-user. Even used to have a >> customer shell server until demand for that dried up. Right now, one >> system is used by employees who need to run tools that interface with >> our back end systems. Login credentials are handled with Active >> Directory, the domain of which is joined with sssd(8). >> >>> The system on my computer uses SysV.init and "su". >>> >>> bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.07- Linux 6.6.42- 5.27.11 >> >> Nice! I've said for a few years now that Linux _is_ ready for most >> home users, as well as enterprise desktops. >> >> For example, we use MS Teams at work -- I'm not happy about it, but I >> can use it from Linux through the web site. Same goes for MS Office. >> >> The problem is you can't take your Linux laptop to (say) Best Buy and >> expect them to help with a problem. The legendary "year of the Linux >> desktop" won't happen until there's some kind of _local_ support >> network in place. And a lot of folks will get help with their Windows >> systems from a relative, who is more likely to have Windows experience >> than Linux chops. >> > Well that Local Support group is available all over > the place. It is called the Internet and Linux Users Groups. I used to > be the placeholder whe went into a local cafe and held down space for > the other users attending. Nearly all Metropolitan areas have local > Computer Users Groups and I living in San Francisco am a member more or > less of SF-LUG ,but I write a Linux News Column for the Champaign- > Urbana Users Group, CUCUG. Aslo in online support we have a very good > PCLinuxOS Users Forum where we users converge with coders and with > packagers for help and to help where we are competent with our problems > on our Laptops and other machines. One of the now-passed members even > had his own brand of desktop to sell to anyone who could not run for > whatever reason PCLinuxOS on the machines available to them. At SF-LUG > we had a capable hardware person before Covid-19 Restrictions went into > play. We have had one real life meeting since then just before the > Delta Wave. > Maybe SF-LUG will go back to in person meetings > at some point in the future but I started in my 60s and now I am 87 and > plagued with many long-term problems. So if it happens soon enough maybe > one more in person event for me before I abandon Usenet and PCLinuxOS > along with the rest of the joys of life. > > bliss-as old as sin. At least you're young at heart. :) When I think of the average computer user, I think of my folks. (Dad just turned 84.) I'd love to get them on Linux, but they have a good chunk of their personal organizing locked up in MS Access databases. (I guess I could try to get Access running in WINE or proton...and you know what? I should investigate that.) Regarding support: you're right about online help, and I could set up bookmarks for the requisite support forums on their system, as well as teach them some of the basics of administration. A lot can be done these days on Linux Mint, even without the command line. Just set up my wife's new Linux workstation, and I don't think I touched a command line getting her configured. (Wifi drivers were another matter, which I should post about separately.) Much different nowadays than way back when, trying to get the printer working, or setting up modelines for X. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-08-04 22:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux at scale |
| Message-ID | <v8ovem$8t63$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57702 |
On 4 Aug 2024 17:54:40 GMT, vallor wrote: > When I think of the average computer user, I think of my folks. (Dad > just turned 84.) I'd love to get them on Linux, but they have a good > chunk of their personal organizing locked up in MS Access databases. How about converting to SQLite and using LibreOffice Base as a frontend? That gets you away from the limitations of Microsoft Access.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-08-05 02:34 +0000 |
| Subject | MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) |
| Message-ID | <lhas1sFire7U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57712 |
On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 22:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v8ovem$8t63$7@dont-email.me>: > On 4 Aug 2024 17:54:40 GMT, vallor wrote: > >> When I think of the average computer user, I think of my folks. (Dad >> just turned 84.) I'd love to get them on Linux, but they have a good >> chunk of their personal organizing locked up in MS Access databases. > > How about converting to SQLite and using LibreOffice Base as a frontend? > That gets you away from the limitations of Microsoft Access. That would mean throwing away umpteen databases and reports, developed over the span of decades. I don't think that's practicable. As I said, I'd like to try Access on Linux using WINE or proton. Went to buy a copy at Amazon, and MS Access 2010 seems to be the latest version. That can't be the latest version, can it? Is Microsoft abandoning Access? -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-08-05 02:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) |
| Message-ID | <v8peci$fi30$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57719 |
On 5 Aug 2024 02:34:37 GMT, vallor wrote: > On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 22:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro > <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v8ovem$8t63$7@dont-email.me>: > >> On 4 Aug 2024 17:54:40 GMT, vallor wrote: >> >>> When I think of the average computer user, I think of my folks. (Dad >>> just turned 84.) I'd love to get them on Linux, but they have a good >>> chunk of their personal organizing locked up in MS Access databases. >> >> How about converting to SQLite and using LibreOffice Base as a >> frontend? That gets you away from the limitations of Microsoft Access. > > That would mean throwing away umpteen databases and reports, developed > over the span of decades. I don't think that's practicable. Unless, of course ... > Is Microsoft abandoning Access? ... you have no choice.
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| From | Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-08-04 22:39 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) |
| Message-ID | <k5i0bjpnv01mncc0c2b8tpqbl28v171vfs@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #57719 |
On 5 Aug 2024 02:34:37 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 22:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v8ovem$8t63$7@dont-email.me>: > >> On 4 Aug 2024 17:54:40 GMT, vallor wrote: >> >>> When I think of the average computer user, I think of my folks. (Dad >>> just turned 84.) I'd love to get them on Linux, but they have a good >>> chunk of their personal organizing locked up in MS Access databases. >> >> How about converting to SQLite and using LibreOffice Base as a frontend? >> That gets you away from the limitations of Microsoft Access. > >That would mean throwing away umpteen databases and reports, developed >over the span of decades. I don't think that's practicable. > >As I said, I'd like to try Access on Linux using WINE or proton. > >Went to buy a copy at Amazon, and MS Access 2010 seems to be >the latest version. That can't be the latest version, >can it? Is Microsoft abandoning Access? "Microsoft Access 2021 is the latest version of Access available as a one-time purchase. Previous versions include Access 2019, Access 2016, Access 2013, Access 2010, Access 2007, and Access 2003." https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/access I've never really used Access but it looks like it's still around.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-08-05 04:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) |
| Message-ID | <v8pjba$ga2g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57722 |
On Sun, 04 Aug 2024 22:39:44 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: > "Microsoft Access 2021 is the latest version of Access available as a > one-time purchase. Previous versions include Access 2019, Access 2016, > Access 2013, Access 2010, Access 2007, and Access 2003." > > https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/access > > I've never really used Access but it looks like it's still around. That seems very old. Is this because newer versions are cloud-only?
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| From | "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> |
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| Date | 2024-08-07 02:09 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) |
| Message-ID | <DdqdnfzogcoNki77nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #57723 |
On 8/5/24 12:10 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 04 Aug 2024 22:39:44 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: > >> "Microsoft Access 2021 is the latest version of Access available as a >> one-time purchase. Previous versions include Access 2019, Access 2016, >> Access 2013, Access 2010, Access 2007, and Access 2003." >> >> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/access >> >> I've never really used Access but it looks like it's still around. > > That seems very old. Is this because newer versions are cloud-only? Actually, last I used it, you had to buy and install ON your PC - it wasn't "cloud". The latest Access ... um ... it looks to have devolved into just another spreadsheet-style SQL database. May as well use MySQL or the like and dBeaver. In short, like everything, M$ just RUINED Access.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-08-07 01:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access |
| Message-ID | <lhg2i1F7b2uU15@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57722 |
On Sun, 04 Aug 2024 22:39:44 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote in <k5i0bjpnv01mncc0c2b8tpqbl28v171vfs@4ax.com>: > On 5 Aug 2024 02:34:37 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: > >>On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 22:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v8ovem$8t63$7@dont-email.me>: >> >>> On 4 Aug 2024 17:54:40 GMT, vallor wrote: >>> >>>> When I think of the average computer user, I think of my folks. (Dad >>>> just turned 84.) I'd love to get them on Linux, but they have a good >>>> chunk of their personal organizing locked up in MS Access databases. >>> >>> How about converting to SQLite and using LibreOffice Base as a frontend? >>> That gets you away from the limitations of Microsoft Access. >> >>That would mean throwing away umpteen databases and reports, developed >>over the span of decades. I don't think that's practicable. >> >>As I said, I'd like to try Access on Linux using WINE or proton. >> >>Went to buy a copy at Amazon, and MS Access 2010 seems to be >>the latest version. That can't be the latest version, >>can it? Is Microsoft abandoning Access? > > "Microsoft Access 2021 is the latest version of Access available as a one-time > purchase. Previous versions include Access 2019, Access 2016, Access 2013, > Access 2010, Access 2007, and Access 2003." > > https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/access > > I've never really used Access but it looks like it's still around. Thanks for the heads-up. I got the installer for the latest standalone through our Microsoft 365 Family license. (Had to talk to MS support chat to get the installer download link, as the Windows links weren't showing up on my Linux browser.) -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc2 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
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| From | Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-08-05 13:38 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) |
| Message-ID | <MPG.411ad8186c053cf4989ae0@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57719 |
In article <lhas1sFire7U2@mid.individual.net>, vallor wrote... > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 22:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro > <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v8ovem$8t63$7@dont-email.me>: > > > On 4 Aug 2024 17:54:40 GMT, vallor wrote: > > > >> When I think of the average computer user, I think of my folks. (Dad > >> just turned 84.) I'd love to get them on Linux, but they have a good > >> chunk of their personal organizing locked up in MS Access databases. > > > > How about converting to SQLite and using LibreOffice Base as a frontend? > > That gets you away from the limitations of Microsoft Access. > > That would mean throwing away umpteen databases and reports, developed > over the span of decades. I don't think that's practicable. > > As I said, I'd like to try Access on Linux using WINE or proton. > > Went to buy a copy at Amazon, and MS Access 2010 seems to be > the latest version. That can't be the latest version, > can it? Is Microsoft abandoning Access? It seems very unlikely that MS would abandon Access - there are just too many databases out there. I use Access as part of Microsoft 365. Version: Microsoft® Access® for Microsoft 365 MSO (Version 2406 Build 16.0.17726.20078) 32-bit There may be a perpetual license version available directly from Microsoft. -- Phil, London
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-08-06 00:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access (was: Re: Linux at scale) |
| Message-ID | <v8rqhg$16a8l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57746 |
On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 13:38:23 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote: > It seems very unlikely that MS would abandon Access - there are just too > many databases out there. But if there is no more money to be made from it, why continue to invest? Doesn’t matter how many users are already out there, if they are not wanting to spend more money on it.
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| From | "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-08-06 02:56 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access |
| Message-ID | <v8shfj$1fjti$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57778 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 13:38:23 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote: > >> It seems very unlikely that MS would abandon Access - there are just too >> many databases out there. > > But if there is no more money to be made from it, why continue to invest? > Doesn’t matter how many users are already out there, if they are not > wanting to spend more money on it. > It's not being discontinued. The latest stand-alone edition in suite or single application is 2021. - The stand-alone 2024 LTSC(volume license only) commercial preview was made available earlier this year(April). The RTM version later this year. Likewise, the stand-alone perpetual consumer edition(Professional) will also be released. Access is **not** included stand-alone perpetual of Office Home-Student or Home-Business Access is also included in current subscription plans(already at 2024 version level) - Currently available in business plans with Office/Microsoft 365, Microsoft 365 Personal, and Microsoft 365 Family => latest is Version 2407 Build 17830.20138 released Aug 1, 2024 -- ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-08-06 23:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access |
| Message-ID | <v8uc3b$1u86k$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57782 |
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 02:56:49 -0400, ...winston wrote: > [Access is] not being discontinued. > The latest stand-alone edition in suite or single application is 2021. That’s pretty old, as I pointed out before. > - The stand-alone 2024 LTSC(volume license only) commercial preview was > made available earlier this year(April). Not much use for home/personal users, is it? > The RTM version later this > year. Likewise, the stand-alone perpetual consumer edition(Professional) > will also be released. Still vapourware at this stage, then. > Access is **not** included stand-alone perpetual of Office > Home-Student or Home-Business See what I mean? > Access is also included in current subscription plans(already at 2024 > version level) Precisely the kind of thing we want to avoid.
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| From | Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-08-07 12:38 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access |
| Message-ID | <MPG.411d6cef6c23cdc8989ae3@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #57804 |
In article <v8uc3b$1u86k$2@dont-email.me>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote... > > Not much use for home/personal users, is it? > > It's for the sort of user who finds Excel too limiting. I think it's one of Microsoft's greatest achievements, and I use it extensively. -- Phil, London
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-08-07 21:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access |
| Message-ID | <v90pqf$3cs1v$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57816 |
On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:38:00 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote: > I think it's one of Microsoft's greatest achievements ... Calling Access “one of Microsoft’s greatest achievements” ... not the kind of “praise” they would find flattering, I think ...
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-08-08 07:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access |
| Message-ID | <v91tc7$3qvod$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57828 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:38:00 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote: > >> I think it's one of Microsoft's greatest achievements ... > > Calling Access “one of Microsoft’s greatest achievements” ... not the kind > of “praise” they would find flattering, I think ... Am no fan of access, but to be fair to MS it fills a niche nothing else comes close to filling. Many, many a small business is held together by an Access database or app. Problem for MS is that so many people are dependent on that they can't abandon it and there's no real up-sell path either.
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| From | Big Al <alan@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2024-08-08 10:43 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: MS Access |
| Message-ID | <v92lir$12ki$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57839 |
On 8/8/24 03:50 AM, Chris wrote: > Am no fan of access, but to be fair to MS it fills a niche nothing else > comes close to filling. I liked Dbase. I wrote many a program for it to dump stats for management. Silly stats, but you know management they like that stuff. -- Linux Mint 21.3, Cinnamon 6.0.4, Kernel 5.15.0-117-generic Al
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