Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security

From	Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security
Date	2024-10-23 08:36 -0400
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On 10/23/2024 03:07, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 10/21/24 3:07 PM, Lester Thorpe wrote:
>> Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their GNU/Linux
>> distros with performance degrading security "features" should take note
>> of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:
>>
>> "Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and completely 
>> theoretical
>> attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in 
>> practice."
>>
>> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds- 
>> growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks
>>
>> Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing!
> 
>    Linus is "kind-of right", but "kind-of not".
> 
>    The problem is State-funded actors these days
>    and the MASSIVE computing power they can bring
>    to bear. At least SOME of those "theoretical"
>    attack vectors CAN become real attack vectors.
> 
>    But WHICH ???
> 
>    Yes, you can go totally overboard on "security",
>    and, mostly, it won't do much good. Paranoia can
>    push this to extremes where you can barely use
>    the system/apps (think Vista) - and I think that's
>    what Linus is concerned with.
> 
>    However there ARE 'sensible' security measures
>    that go beyond mere Linux passwords and a few
>    port blocks.
> 

I think the point that Linus was making was just that, even if these 
'theoretical' attack vectors were actual issues, the CPU manufacturer's 
need to be the one patching it with a firmware update. Hardware related 
attacks need to be fixed by the hardware MFG and Linux should only fix 
software related attack vectors. I think that was the point Linus was 
making here. The kernel should not be the go-to agency for fixing 
hardware-specific security issues, nor should it be the kernel's job 
anyways. It's like, Boeing having a problem with an engine from another 
manufacturer. Who fixes the engine? It should be the engine manufacturer 
not some Boeing software engineer adding something to the throttle 
control system to 'mitigate' the issue.

At least that was how I took it. I don't think Linus was trying to 
downplay the security aspect of it. I think it's just, it's not a "Linux 
Problem". Go fix your sh*t Intel/AMD. But that's just my take on the 
article.

-- 
Phillip Frabott
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Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2024-10-21 19:07 +0000
  Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-22 07:44 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 08:32 -0400
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 13:34 +0100
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-22 09:15 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 09:18 -0400
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 14:25 +0100
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 10:51 -0400
              {OT) Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 18:02 -0400
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Donald Trump <Donald@trump.com> - 2024-10-22 22:50 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 19:49 -0400
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:02 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 20:28 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 04:39 +0000
                {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-23 07:23 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 07:31 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-23 13:15 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 05:43 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 17:33 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:47 +0100
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 18:09 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 01:07 +0100
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 20:38 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:38 +0000
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-26 08:33 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 01:10 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-23 10:11 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 20:34 -0400
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-23 10:05 +0200
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-23 13:01 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:29 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-23 21:17 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:48 +0000
                {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-24 07:31 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 09:10 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:26 +0000
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-24 09:45 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 14:58 +0100
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 11:39 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-24 12:48 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 05:56 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:25 +0000
                {OT} was was bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 08:28 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:42 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:06 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:22 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-27 07:42 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2024-10-27 09:17 -0300
                Re: Left vs Wrong bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-27 13:07 -0400
                Bethlehem; [was Re: Left vs Wrong] Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-10-29 03:57 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-27 07:38 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 09:07 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2024-10-24 14:31 -0300
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-24 14:14 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2024-10-24 15:34 -0300
                Migrant Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-25 05:59 +0200
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:00 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 20:21 -0400
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-26 03:32 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-26 19:27 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 23:43 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-26 19:58 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-23 06:48 +1000
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:59 +0000
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 16:57 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2024-10-24 02:48 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 09:17 -0400
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.jmcunx.com> - 2024-10-22 14:05 +0000
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 17:37 +0100
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 16:57 -0400
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-23 08:24 -0400
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-23 09:07 -0400
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.jmcunx.com> - 2024-10-23 13:57 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:42 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-25 06:03 +0200
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-10-25 11:28 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:47 +0000
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 18:03 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 19:36 -0400
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:57 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 20:19 -0400
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:45 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 21:17 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 01:46 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-23 10:06 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:27 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2024-10-24 03:25 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 08:57 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:40 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-24 11:56 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 13:30 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-24 16:44 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:23 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 00:05 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 04:37 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 08:47 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:41 +0000
                {OT} was Re: bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-26 18:34 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:20 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Donald Trump <Donald@trump.com> - 2024-10-25 04:45 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-25 02:25 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-25 16:16 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:38 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-26 03:48 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:22 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:21 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 00:48 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-25 06:57 -0400
  Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 03:07 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-23 09:01 +0100
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 04:48 +0000
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 18:48 +0100
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:19 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-25 18:10 +0000
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:36 +0000
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:13 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 15:39 -0700
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 23:43 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-28 03:20 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:39 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-28 13:40 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 11:29 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-28 18:10 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 22:31 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 00:03 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 21:41 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:20 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:09 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 01:28 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 02:33 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 03:47 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 04:52 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 05:58 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 07:19 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-29 13:27 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 20:44 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 01:08 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:37 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:45 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:51 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-26 03:01 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:01 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-26 12:21 +0200
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-27 00:28 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-27 00:25 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 23:27 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 01:44 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:13 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 17:11 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:16 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-27 22:32 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:06 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:13 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:18 +0000
                As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:06 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:21 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-27 01:35 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-27 11:00 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:28 +0000
                The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-27 04:18 -0700
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 11:32 +0000
                We're in the middle, always. "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-27 06:23 -0700
                Re: We're in the middle, always. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 13:30 +0000
                Who you are, where you are, when you are. "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-27 07:07 -0700
                Re: Who you are, where you are, when you are. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 14:51 +0000
                Re: We're in the middle, always. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:25 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:22 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:21 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:19 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2024-10-27 19:47 -0700
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:37 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-27 22:34 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 00:48 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:32 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:10 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 17:35 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 22:37 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 02:27 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-29 11:32 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:12 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:22 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 10:32 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 21:47 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:31 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 16:22 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:25 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:25 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:28 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 00:37 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:41 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 19:12 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 07:17 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:54 +0000
                Whether it's enough or not depends on what kind of a being you might be. "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-29 06:56 -0700
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-10-27 20:46 -0500
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:33 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-28 09:48 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 12:32 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:33 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 01:45 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 09:56 +0100
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 23:27 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 01:09 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:17 +0000
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-26 03:19 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-23 08:36 -0400
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 02:48 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2024-10-24 18:53 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 02:58 -0400

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