Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
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Subject	Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .
Date	2024-10-28 09:32 +0000
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On 28/10/2024 04:48, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 10/27/24 5:34 PM, D wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > On Sun, 27 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>  >
>  >> On 27/10/2024 05:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>  >>> On 10/26/24 10:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>  >>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 02:06:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>  >>>>
>  >>>>> "Our whole universe was in a hot dense state..."
>  >>>>
>  >>>> As I look around, I see some in this noisegroup who still seem to 
> be in
>  >>>> that state ...
>  >>>
>  >>>    Normally these groups are VERY quiet. But then it's only
>  >>>    about a week before elections.
>  >>>
>  >>>    As for the universe, it USED to be in a 'hot dense state',
>  >>>    but has cooled-off considerably. If 'dark energy' calx are
>  >>>    correct we're already on the downside - headed for icy doom.
>  >>>
>  >> Well so says the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view.
>  >>
>  >> We are surfing a wave of entropy created by the big bang and will all
>  >> end up washed up the beach gasping and then die.
>  >>
>  >> Of course  the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view is
>  >> only a man made theory, when it comes down to it. And can neither be
>  >> proven true or false.
>  >>
>  >
>  > The world actually can be proven true. G.E. Moore did it many decades
>  > ago. Here's a hand!
> 
> 
>    Even the Buddha said the universe was "real" - just
>    that creatures like US, maybe any, could never really
>    see it's entirety - barely a key-hole view. Our evolution,
>    bodies, senses, brains ... we see things through "Human-
>    Colored Glasses" and that's our kinda faux view of things.
> 
Yes. That is the underlying basis for the views of Plato, Kant,. 
Schopenhauer et al.
Its Reality Jim, but not as we know it...

>    We are PRODUCTS of The Universe, but each product must
>    have its own special perspective.

There is a stronger case for saying the Universe is a product of us. If 
by Universe you means a comprehensible external reality.

Materialism claims  E=f(R) (experience is a function of an external reality)
Idealism claims E=f(M)  (experience is a function of the Mind)
Transcendental idealism combines  the pair into
E=f(M,R) (experience is a function of 'what's really there' as 
interpreted by the mind).

Unfortunately whilst this solves many problems it introduces an idea 
that is anathema to the Realists - namely that Mind is an independent 
variable neither part of the real world nor the perceived world.

Of course this used to be simply accepted. It was the soul, or the holy 
spirit. or holy ghost.

Today we talk about 'consciousness' and the 'problem of consciousness' 
which is simply the inherent circular reasoning that comprises the 
realists world view, such that an emerging property of something becomes 
able to comprehend the thing it is an emergent property of.

>    In more computer terms
>    it's like The System trying to eval/evolve itself. Even at
>    best, the eval CHANGES the System, so it's a never-ending
>    task. Yea, kinda 'quantum' in some respects - don't LOOK
>    or you change what you're looking at.
> 
Exactly.  It's recursive.  And recursion leads to paradox. You have to 
introduce another independent variable to break out of the loop.

Does the set of all sets contain itself? No, It is of a different 
*order* to all sets. It neither contains nor does not contain itself, it 
is in fact congruent with itself. Russell was a tosser.

>    It's reality's "Fuck You !"  :-)

Well it does in the limit expose the limitations of our current metaphysics.

And cause us to question exactly what it is that our science is 
investigating.

-- 
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you 
can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if 
you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed 
whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Sir Roger Scruton

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                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:18 +0000
                As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:06 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:21 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-27 01:35 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-27 11:00 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:28 +0000
                The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-27 04:18 -0700
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 11:32 +0000
                We're in the middle, always. "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-27 06:23 -0700
                Re: We're in the middle, always. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 13:30 +0000
                Who you are, where you are, when you are. "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-27 07:07 -0700
                Re: Who you are, where you are, when you are. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 14:51 +0000
                Re: We're in the middle, always. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:25 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:22 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:21 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:19 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2024-10-27 19:47 -0700
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:37 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-27 22:34 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 00:48 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:32 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:10 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 17:35 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 22:37 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 02:27 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-29 11:32 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:12 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:22 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 10:32 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 21:47 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:31 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 16:22 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:25 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:25 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:28 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 00:37 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:41 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 19:12 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 07:17 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:54 +0000
                Whether it's enough or not depends on what kind of a being you might be. "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-29 06:56 -0700
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-10-27 20:46 -0500
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:33 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-28 09:48 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 12:32 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:33 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 01:45 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 09:56 +0100
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 23:27 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 01:09 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:17 +0000
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-26 03:19 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-23 08:36 -0400
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 02:48 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2024-10-24 18:53 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 02:58 -0400

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