Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security

Subject	Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security
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Date	2024-10-26 03:19 -0400
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On 10/25/24 6:17 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:09:38 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> Um ... even weak crypto takes a lot of CPU time to decode.
> 
> A graphic illustration of strong crypto used stupidly:
> <https://github.com/corkami/pics/blob/master/binary/CryptoModes.png>.

   Yes, even 'strong' crypto can be used badly.

   However for MOST, even AES-128 ought to be good
   enough, AES-256 even more. According to some
   going away from AES is best ... Camilla or even
   GPG.

   Note, if you want to INDIVIDUALLY encrypt files
   then OpenSSL is THE best because of SPEED. GPG
   and friends, there's a long initialization period.
   This is something I've had a lot of experience with.
   Wrote a nice, kinda large and 'smart', 'C' app other
   langs could evoke to do the hard work.

   There ARE tiny diffs between the Linux and Win
   versions of OpenSSL ... so search and take note
   of the fine variation in the CL params. OR, well,
   use large/complex pre-packaged backup apps - but
   you lose a lot of fine control. Direct use of
   OpenSSL works great from custom 'C', Pascal or
   Python pgms (my faves).

   Towards the end I did write a backup apps that
   individually encrypted files. Easy to get 'em
   back, AS NEEDED, afterwards. OpenSSL was the
   best way. OUR files weren't especially WORTH
   cracking. This was good. Banks/govt and such
   may have a different perspective. Better perhaps
   to zip-up large archives and encrypt those
   using better-than-AES methods. DOES need kinda
   a lot of mem and diskspace ....

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Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2024-10-21 19:07 +0000
  Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-22 07:44 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 08:32 -0400
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 13:34 +0100
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-22 09:15 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 09:18 -0400
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 14:25 +0100
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 10:51 -0400
              {OT) Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 18:02 -0400
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Donald Trump <Donald@trump.com> - 2024-10-22 22:50 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 19:49 -0400
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:02 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 20:28 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 04:39 +0000
                {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-23 07:23 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 07:31 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-23 13:15 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 05:43 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 17:33 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:47 +0100
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 18:09 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 01:07 +0100
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 20:38 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:38 +0000
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-26 08:33 -0400
                Re: {OT illegal-alien} ...was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 01:10 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-23 10:11 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 20:34 -0400
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-23 10:05 +0200
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-23 13:01 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:29 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-23 21:17 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:48 +0000
                {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-24 07:31 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 09:10 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:26 +0000
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-24 09:45 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 14:58 +0100
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 11:39 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-24 12:48 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 05:56 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:25 +0000
                {OT} was was bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 08:28 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:42 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:06 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:22 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-27 07:42 -0400
                Re: Left vs Wrong Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2024-10-27 09:17 -0300
                Re: Left vs Wrong bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-27 13:07 -0400
                Bethlehem; [was Re: Left vs Wrong] Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-10-29 03:57 +0000
                Re: Left vs Wrong Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-27 07:38 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 09:07 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2024-10-24 14:31 -0300
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-24 14:14 -0400
                Re: {OT} was...Re: Left vs Wrong (was Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2024-10-24 15:34 -0300
                Migrant Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-25 05:59 +0200
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:00 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 20:21 -0400
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-26 03:32 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-26 19:27 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 23:43 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-26 19:58 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-23 06:48 +1000
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:59 +0000
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 16:57 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2024-10-24 02:48 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 09:17 -0400
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.jmcunx.com> - 2024-10-22 14:05 +0000
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 17:37 +0100
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 16:57 -0400
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-23 08:24 -0400
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-23 09:07 -0400
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.jmcunx.com> - 2024-10-23 13:57 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:42 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-25 06:03 +0200
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-10-25 11:28 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:47 +0000
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 18:03 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 19:36 -0400
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:57 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-22 20:19 -0400
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:45 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-22 21:17 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 01:46 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-23 10:06 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:27 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2024-10-24 03:25 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 08:57 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:40 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-24 11:56 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-24 13:30 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-24 16:44 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:23 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 00:05 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 04:37 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-25 08:47 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:41 +0000
                {OT} was Re: bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-10-26 18:34 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:20 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Donald Trump <Donald@trump.com> - 2024-10-25 04:45 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-25 02:25 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-25 16:16 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:38 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-26 03:48 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:22 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:21 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 00:48 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-25 06:57 -0400
  Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 03:07 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-23 09:01 +0100
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 04:48 +0000
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 18:48 +0100
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:19 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-25 18:10 +0000
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:36 +0000
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:13 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 15:39 -0700
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 23:43 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-28 03:20 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:39 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-28 13:40 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 11:29 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-28 18:10 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 22:31 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 00:03 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 21:41 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:20 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:09 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 01:28 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 02:33 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 03:47 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 04:52 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 05:58 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 07:19 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-29 13:27 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 20:44 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 01:08 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:37 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:45 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:51 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-26 03:01 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:01 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-26 12:21 +0200
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-27 00:28 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-27 00:25 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 23:27 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 01:44 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:13 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 17:11 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:16 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-27 22:32 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:06 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:13 +0100
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:18 +0000
                As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:06 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:21 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-27 01:35 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-27 11:00 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:28 +0000
                The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-27 04:18 -0700
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 11:32 +0000
                We're in the middle, always. "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-27 06:23 -0700
                Re: We're in the middle, always. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 13:30 +0000
                Who you are, where you are, when you are. "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-27 07:07 -0700
                Re: Who you are, where you are, when you are. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 14:51 +0000
                Re: We're in the middle, always. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:25 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:22 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:21 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:19 +0000
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2024-10-27 19:47 -0700
                Re: The "big bang" was fueled by "residual eXergy" (potential entropy). The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:37 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-27 22:34 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 00:48 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:32 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:10 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 17:35 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 22:37 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 02:27 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-29 11:32 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:12 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 11:22 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 10:32 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-28 21:47 +0100
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:31 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 16:22 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:25 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 10:25 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:28 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 00:37 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:41 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 19:12 -0400
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 07:17 +0000
                Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:54 +0000
                Whether it's enough or not depends on what kind of a being you might be. "Relf"  <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2024-10-29 06:56 -0700
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-10-27 20:46 -0500
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-28 09:33 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-10-28 09:48 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 12:32 -0400
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:33 +0000
                Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 01:45 +0000
            Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 09:56 +0100
              Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 23:27 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 01:09 -0400
        Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:17 +0000
          Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-26 03:19 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-23 08:36 -0400
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 02:48 -0400
    Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2024-10-24 18:53 +0000
      Re: Torvalds Slams Theoretical Security "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 02:58 -0400

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