Re: The "Standards" Game

From	Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: The "Standards" Game
Date	2025-12-01 00:10 +0000
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On 2025-11-30, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> Here in Canada we're considering whether to supplement our upcoming
> F-35 purchase with Sweden's Gripen; considerations resemble a decision
> on whether to purchase an unlocked phone.
>
> Comedy shows are already showing photos of a Gripen with an IKEA logo
> stenciled on the side, and are making cracks about the Allen key that
> comes with the jets for assembly.

In my native Denmark, it was decided a several years ago that their
once state-of-the-art F16s needed replacement - the airframes had almost 
run out of flight hours. The parliament were looking at 4 choices:
* replace them with freshly built F16s
* replace them with Gripen
* replace them with Eurofighter Typhoon
* replace them with a smaller number of F35.

Option 1 was quite popular, especially liked by the pilots.
Option 4 was the least popular.

The parliamentary committee was then told that opton 1 was not
available: The assembly line had been dismantled. (This was later
discovered to be false: The US is still building F16 for Israel as well
as a few other middle eastern countries.)

The top politicians were really pushing the F35, despite the fact that
even if it worked perfectly, it did not fit the stated mission of air
defense for the Kingdom: It caan't get up to cruising speed within
Danish airspace. And at the same time, it does not have enough range to
get from Denmark up to patrol the sea around Greenland without en-route
refueling. What it really works for, it to support US missions in the
Middle East, which was viewed as geopolitically correct at the time.

In contrast, the Gripen is built to operate in an airspace of the Danish
scale and works really well in most European theaters. Plus, we actually
like the Swedes.

In the end, they bought about half as many f35s as they could have
gotten for the same money if they had bought F16 or Gripen.
Today, there is some regret, especially considering that the US is the
only counry that has openly threatened to invade Denmark!

Kudos to Canada for their choice!
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:18 +0000
  Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-26 14:33 +0000
    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 17:02 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-27 13:51 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 14:40 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:28 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:09 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-28 15:00 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 15:09 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 01:39 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 13:02 +0100
            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:47 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:35 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 08:14 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:41 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 16:55 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-29 21:39 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:22 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:22 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:35 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:21 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 00:49 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:48 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:51 +0000
                Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 22:40 +0100
                Re: Robocalls c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:34 -0500
                Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                Re: Robocalls The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:21 +0000
                Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:40 +0000
                Re: Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-04 21:37 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:09 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-05 19:39 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 20:54 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:56 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:48 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:51 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:47 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 23:27 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:08 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 00:13 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 00:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 06:38 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:01 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:58 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:16 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:37 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 17:41 +0000
                Old people. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:07 +0100
                Re: Old people. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:29 +0000
                Re: Old people. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:02 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:53 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 00:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:40 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
                emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:41 +0100
                Re: emergency number routing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:48 -0500
                Re: emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:13 +0100
                Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 04:37 +0000
                Re: emergency number routing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 06:57 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:29 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:10 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:04 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 21:50 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:06 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:10 +1100
                Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-05 14:48 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 15:30 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 18:55 +0100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:36 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-06 13:37 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 14:46 +0100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:30 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-12-07 02:46 +0200
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:48 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:35 -0500
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:35 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:19 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 17:15 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:32 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:37 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 02:42 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:45 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:03 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 21:47 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 04:12 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:49 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:28 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:44 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-02 13:05 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:16 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:20 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:14 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:27 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:07 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:20 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:25 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:59 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:58 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:22 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 18:59 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:43 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:56 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:16 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:39 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:08 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:51 -0500
            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:16 -0500
              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:25 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:59 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:45 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:46 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:24 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:04 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 18:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:20 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-01 00:10 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 01:34 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-01 03:40 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:50 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:28 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:47 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:06 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:42 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:40 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 13:05 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:44 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:27 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:53 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:51 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:08 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 14:37 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:49 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-08 13:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 12:32 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:30 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 04:12 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:29 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 14:23 -0800
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:15 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 20:44 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:56 +0000
                Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:10 +0100
                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 07:56 -0800
                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:38 +0100
                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:26 -0500
                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:45 +1100
                Autoblock feature of shopping carts. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:14 +0100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 15:04 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:10 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:41 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:57 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:49 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 01:29 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:29 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:03 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:03 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:13 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:14 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:21 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:58 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 03:13 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:14 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:52 +1100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:15 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:44 +1100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 21:56 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:04 +1100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:46 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 01:41 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:46 +1100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:06 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:42 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:38 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:19 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:33 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:25 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:48 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:51 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:05 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:09 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:03 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:21 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:49 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:12 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:24 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:13 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:32 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:14 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:52 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:07 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:41 -0500
                Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:25 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:00 +0000
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:33 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:32 +0100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:56 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:31 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:43 +0000
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:11 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:48 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:18 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:33 +0000
                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:20 +1100
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:59 +0100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 18:02 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:41 +0000
                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:35 -0500
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:09 +0000
                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:53 +1100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:08 +0000
                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:50 -0500
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:05 +0000
                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:17 -0500
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:28 -0500
                GPS Based Speedometers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-09 12:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-09 08:14 -0500
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:13 +0000
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:35 +0000
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:30 +0000
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:52 -0500
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-12-09 16:24 +0100
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:39 +0000
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:46 +0000
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 21:31 -0500
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:23 +0000
                Re: Double booting Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-09 17:01 -0600
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:15 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:18 +0000
                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:50 +1100
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:48 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:50 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:28 +0000
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:46 +0000
                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:47 -0500
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:39 +0000
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:08 +0000
                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:57 +1100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:09 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:50 +0100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:11 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:20 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:20 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:02 +0000
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:51 +0000
                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 22:04 -0500
                Re: Double booting John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 09:16 -0800
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:19 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:02 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-06 07:59 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:20 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:54 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:34 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:22 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 23:26 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:16 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 21:41 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:51 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:32 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:43 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:09 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:43 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:31 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:15 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:21 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:40 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:53 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:27 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:09 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 01:56 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:27 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:37 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:19 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:26 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:37 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:57 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:46 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:40 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 00:12 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 16:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:18 +0000
                Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 00:10 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:28 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:24 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:24 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 11:08 -0800
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 23:18 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 03:55 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-05 18:45 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 04:24 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:55 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:48 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:33 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:52 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:44 +1100
                Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:40 +1100
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:38 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:12 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:35 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:26 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:20 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:28 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 08:06 -0800
                Re: Shareholder primacy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-04 14:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-01 12:25 -0600
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-01 18:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 19:19 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:29 +0000
                Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:42 +0000
                Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:13 +0000
                Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-03 14:44 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:39 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:51 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:41 +0100
              Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:29 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:12 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2025-11-28 17:29 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:37 +0000

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