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Re: The "Standards" Game

Date	2025-11-29 21:47 -0500
Subject	Re: The "Standards" Game
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
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From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
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On 11/29/25 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/11/2025 04:45, c186282 wrote:
>> On 11/28/25 21:42, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 21:35:54 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> I remember, in the early days of Android, when new models came out from
>>>> Samsung, HTC, Oppo or whoever, they could be available throughout the
>>>> GSM world in about a couple of weeks, while American users had to wait
>>>> for adaptations specific to their various networks to be produced.
>>>
>>> iirc AT&T was GSM but they had no infrastructure in this area. 
>>> Verizon was
>>> CDMA. I didn't have a problem with Verizon when traveling, including
>>> California. I think AT&T was stronger in the Pacific Northest and the
>>> east.
>>>
>>> In this case progress was useful. I bought a new phone at BestBuy last
>>> month. Take it home, swap in the SIM, transfer my stuff, and I was 
>>> good to
>>> go.
>>
>>    The USA likes to "throw a bunch of stuff out there" and
>>    then LATER find a popular standard. USA might have come
>>    up with something 'better' than GSM. Didn't, but that's
>>    not the point. Too much of a standards push too early
>>    generally means you get Standard CRAP.
>>
>>
> The issue is in the philosophy that says 'we must think of everything 
> and create a standard that covers it all' and 'we need a standard to 
> interoperate with what we have right now. The rest can come later'
> 
> The first approach leads to monstrosities like X windows, X 
> communication protocols and PostScript. And probably systemd

   I know what you mean.

   In tech, the "Covers EVERYTHING" mentality generally
   creates monstrosities.

   Oddly though, with tech, it's often easy to support
   multiple, perhaps specialist, formats and systems
   all on one chip. The need for *a* standard is not
   as super-important as once seen.

   USA ... hell, even the electric grid had two or three
   semi-incompatible 'standards' for quite awhile. You
   can still find appliances marked "AC/DC"  :-)

   By Darwinian means, IF there's a good/best standard
   then it will eventually come to dominate.

   STILL expecting a "USB-V" for attachable devices,
   a +5v, +3.1v, GND ... and an optical fiber for
   the data exchange. Aim for 250gBS capability
   and wait for the actual chips to catch up.

> The second led to Unix, C and TCP/IP.

   Well, those were kind of "evolutionary" ... the
   results of several "Oops ! NOT It !" experiences
   in the past. Unix was influenced by some trashy
   over-complicated system attempts previous. 'C'
   cometh  from 'B' (there IS a 'B' compiler for
   Linux by the way) and 'B' cometh from a BPCL
   (also a Linux kit for it) which cometh from a
   super-stripped FORTRAN K&R liked. ALGOL inspired
   several, better, evolutionary products. Python
   brought over a fair amount of FORTRAN sensibility,
   and esp the easy string-parsing syntax, and a bit
   of ALGOL too.

   Now imagine if some World Committee had decided
   and enforced *a* programming lang in 1954, *a*
   data-exchange format, *a* connection buss !!!

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Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:18 +0000
  Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-26 14:33 +0000
    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 17:02 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-27 13:51 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 14:40 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:28 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:09 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-28 15:00 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 15:09 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 01:39 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 13:02 +0100
            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:47 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:35 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 08:14 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:41 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 16:55 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-29 21:39 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:22 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:22 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:35 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:21 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 00:49 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:48 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:51 +0000
                Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 22:40 +0100
                Re: Robocalls c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:34 -0500
                Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                Re: Robocalls The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:21 +0000
                Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:40 +0000
                Re: Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-04 21:37 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:09 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-05 19:39 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 20:54 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:56 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:48 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:51 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:47 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 23:27 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:08 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 00:13 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 00:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 06:38 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:01 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:58 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:16 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:37 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 17:41 +0000
                Old people. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:07 +0100
                Re: Old people. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:29 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:53 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 00:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:40 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
                emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:41 +0100
                Re: emergency number routing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:48 -0500
                Re: emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:13 +0100
                Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 04:37 +0000
                Re: emergency number routing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 06:57 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:29 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:10 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:04 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 21:50 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:06 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:10 +1100
                Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-05 14:48 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 15:30 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 18:55 +0100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:36 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-06 13:37 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 14:46 +0100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:30 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-12-07 02:46 +0200
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:48 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:35 -0500
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:35 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:19 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 17:15 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:32 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:37 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 02:42 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:45 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:03 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 21:47 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 04:12 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:49 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:28 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:44 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-02 13:05 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:16 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:20 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:14 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:27 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:07 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:20 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:25 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:59 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:58 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:22 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 18:59 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:43 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:56 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:16 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:39 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:08 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:51 -0500
            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:16 -0500
              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:25 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:59 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:45 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:46 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:24 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:04 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 18:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:20 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-01 00:10 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 01:34 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-01 03:40 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:50 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:28 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:47 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:06 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:42 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:40 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 13:05 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:44 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:27 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:53 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:51 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:08 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 14:37 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:49 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-08 13:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 12:32 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:30 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 04:12 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:29 +0100
                Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:10 +0100
                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 07:56 -0800
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:45 +1100
                Autoblock feature of shopping carts. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:14 +0100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 15:04 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:10 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:41 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:57 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:49 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 01:29 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:29 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:03 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:03 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:13 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:58 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 03:13 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:14 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:52 +1100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:15 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:44 +1100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 21:56 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:04 +1100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:46 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 01:41 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:46 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:38 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:19 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:33 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:25 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:48 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:51 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:05 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:09 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:03 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:21 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:49 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:12 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:24 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:13 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:32 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:14 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:52 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:07 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:41 -0500
                Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:25 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:00 +0000
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:33 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:32 +0100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:56 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:31 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:43 +0000
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:11 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:48 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:18 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:33 +0000
                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:20 +1100
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:59 +0100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 18:02 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:41 +0000
                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:35 -0500
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:09 +0000
                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:53 +1100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:08 +0000
                GPS Based Speedometers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-09 12:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-09 08:14 -0500
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:13 +0000
                Re: GPS Based Speedometers Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-12-09 16:24 +0100
                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:50 +1100
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:48 +0100
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:39 +0000
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:08 +0000
                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:57 +1100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:09 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:50 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:51 +0000
                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 22:04 -0500
                Re: Double booting John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 09:16 -0800
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:19 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:02 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-06 07:59 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:20 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:54 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:34 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:22 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 23:26 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:16 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 21:41 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:51 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:32 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:43 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:09 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:43 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:31 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:15 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:21 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:40 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:53 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:27 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:09 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 01:56 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:27 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:37 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:19 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:26 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:37 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:57 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:46 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:40 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 00:12 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 16:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:18 +0000
                Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 00:10 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:28 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:24 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:24 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 11:08 -0800
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 23:18 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 03:55 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-05 18:45 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 04:24 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:55 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:48 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:33 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:52 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:44 +1100
                Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:40 +1100
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:38 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:12 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:35 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:26 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:20 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:28 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 08:06 -0800
                Re: Shareholder primacy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-04 14:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-01 12:25 -0600
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-01 18:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 19:19 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:29 +0000
                Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:42 +0000
                Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:13 +0000
                Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-03 14:44 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:39 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:51 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:41 +0100
              Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:29 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:12 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2025-11-28 17:29 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:37 +0000

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