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Re: The "Standards" Game

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From not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject Re: The "Standards" Game
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
References (21 earlier) <10g7bqf$j278$2@dont-email.me> <slrn10iglqc.8c82.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> <HmCdnVgBx8wS3rT0nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com> <qjfovlxvml.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10gd4jq$2ptu7$4@dont-email.me>
Date 2025-11-29 08:14 +1000
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In comp.os.linux.misc Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 13:02:34 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> GSM was designed by committee and it is a wonderful thing the entire
>> world has adopted. Even the USA dumped their own system(s) and
>> switched lovingly. :-D
> 
> No need for a smiley. The Reagan-era USA chose to "let the market
> decide" in terms of mobile telephony standards, and ended up with a
> babel of incompatible networks. The EU decided to come up with a
> common standard that was so good, it was adopted in much of the rest
> of the world.
> 
> We would take it for granted that we could buy a phone, and then
> choose which carrier to connect it to, by buying the appropriate SIM
> from them. The idea of having to choose a carrier first, and then buy
> a phone from them, seemed pretty alien.

Only to you, a quick web search shows phone network locking looks
as common in NZ as it is in Australia. That standard you love built
in a system to enforce exactly that problem of needing to choose a
phone to match the carrier. Frequencies also vary between networks
and some phones didn't support other network's 3G frequencies in
Australia even after they'd been unlocked. Though for 4G they seem
to have all settled on a more common set of frequencies.

A common standard also means there's no competition when they come
out with a dud like 4G. My mobile broadband internet at home now
dies much more often since 4G reception is useless and they turned
3G off a year ago with assurances there'd be no reception issues.
Using mobile phones where I live is back to the old days of needing
to go outside and find a good spot. Plenty of news articles
reported about it all over rural Australia and the telcos just
pointed at their BS coverage maps and said it's not a problem. The
government said they'll get everyone to use StarLink from phones in
rural areas, and of course I've heard nothing more about that
stupid idea.

> I remember, in the early days of Android, when new models came out
> from Samsung, HTC, Oppo or whoever, they could be available throughout
> the GSM world in about a couple of weeks, while American users had to
> wait for adaptations specific to their various networks to be
> produced.

For people who crave the latest shiny thing that might matter, I
guess...

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Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:18 +0000
  Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-26 14:33 +0000
    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 17:02 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-27 13:51 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 14:40 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:28 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:09 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-28 15:00 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 15:09 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 01:39 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 13:02 +0100
            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:47 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:35 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 08:14 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:41 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 16:55 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-29 21:39 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:22 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:22 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:35 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:21 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 00:49 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:48 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:51 +0000
                Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 22:40 +0100
                Re: Robocalls c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:34 -0500
                Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                Re: Robocalls The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:21 +0000
                Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:40 +0000
                Re: Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-04 21:37 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:09 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-05 19:39 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 20:54 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:56 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:48 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:51 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:47 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 23:27 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:08 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 00:13 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:01 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:58 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:16 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:37 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 17:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:53 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 00:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:40 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
                emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:41 +0100
                Re: emergency number routing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:48 -0500
                Re: emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:13 +0100
                Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 04:37 +0000
                Re: emergency number routing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 06:57 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:29 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:10 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:04 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 21:50 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:06 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:10 +1100
                Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-05 14:48 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 15:30 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 18:55 +0100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:36 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-06 13:37 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 14:46 +0100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:30 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-12-07 02:46 +0200
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:48 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:35 -0500
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:35 +1100
                Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:19 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 17:15 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:32 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:37 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 02:42 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:45 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:03 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 21:47 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 04:12 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:49 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:28 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:44 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-02 13:05 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:16 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:20 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:14 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:27 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:07 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:20 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:25 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:11 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:59 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:58 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:22 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 18:59 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:43 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:56 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:16 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:39 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:08 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:51 -0500
            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:16 -0500
              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:25 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:59 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:45 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:46 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:24 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:04 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 18:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:20 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-01 00:10 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 01:34 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-01 03:40 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:50 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:28 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:47 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:06 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:42 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:40 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 13:05 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:44 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:27 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:53 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:51 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:08 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 14:37 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:49 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-08 13:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 12:32 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:45 +1100
                Autoblock feature of shopping carts. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:14 +0100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 15:04 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:10 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:41 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:57 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:49 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 01:29 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:29 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:03 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:58 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 03:13 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:14 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:52 +1100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:15 +0000
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 21:56 -0500
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:04 +1100
                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:38 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:19 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:33 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:25 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:48 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:51 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:05 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:57 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:09 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:03 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:21 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:49 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:12 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:24 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:13 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:32 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:14 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:52 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:07 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:41 -0500
                Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:25 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:00 +0000
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:33 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:32 +0100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:56 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:31 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0000
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:43 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:33 +0000
                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:20 +1100
                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:59 +0100
                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 18:02 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:41 +0000
                Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:39 +0000
                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:51 +0000
                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 22:04 -0500
                Re: Double booting John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 09:16 -0800
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:19 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:02 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-06 07:59 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:20 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:54 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:34 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:22 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 23:26 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:16 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 21:41 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:51 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:32 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:43 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:09 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:43 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:31 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:15 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:21 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:40 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:53 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:55 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:27 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:09 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 01:56 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:00 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:27 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:37 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:19 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:26 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:37 +1100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:57 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:46 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:40 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:46 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 00:12 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:31 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 16:53 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:18 +0000
                Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 00:10 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:28 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:24 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:24 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 11:08 -0800
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 23:18 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 03:55 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-05 18:45 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 04:24 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:55 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:48 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:33 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:52 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:44 +1100
                Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:40 +1100
                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:38 -0500
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:12 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:35 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:26 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:20 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:28 +0000
                Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 08:06 -0800
                Re: Shareholder primacy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-04 14:36 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-01 12:25 -0600
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-01 18:35 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 19:19 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:29 +0000
                Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:42 +0000
                Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:13 +0000
                Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-03 14:44 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:39 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:51 -0500
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:41 +0100
              Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:29 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:12 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2025-11-28 17:29 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:37 +0000

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