Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.unix.shell, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting
Date	2026-03-13 19:24 +0000
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 11:37:07 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> My experience is colored by being an employer of coders, and the ones
> that knew C produced more in less time than the ones who had mastered
> regexps and PERL.

Programming rarely used Perl but there was a 'special projects' group that 
was mostly for site specific implementation and several of the people 
favored Perl for the setup and maintenance tasks. As time went on that 
layer was dissolved but their legacy Perl scripts lived on. Programming 
would disavow all knowledge. Most got the job done but they looked like 
entries into an obfuscated code contest.

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Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-12 07:21 +0000
  Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-12 03:42 -0400
    Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-03-12 12:34 +0000
      Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-12 15:08 +0000
        Just out of curiosity... (Was: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-03-12 15:22 +0000
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          Re: Just out of curiosity... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-12 16:31 +0000
          Re: Just out of curiosity... (Was: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-12 19:04 +0000
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  Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-03-12 09:00 +0100
    Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-03-12 10:59 +0100
      Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-03-12 12:44 +0000
        Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-12 14:12 +0000
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            Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-03-12 19:38 +0000
              Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-12 20:18 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-13 11:37 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-13 19:24 +0000
              Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-12 20:57 +0000
            Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-03-13 07:59 +1000
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                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-13 19:02 +0000
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                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-13 20:56 +0000
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                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-13 23:26 -0400
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 04:59 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 02:35 -0400
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 18:38 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 12:38 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 08:21 -0700
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            Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-12 19:03 +0000
              Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com> - 2026-03-12 20:44 +0100
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-13 11:32 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-13 12:57 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-13 13:33 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:17 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-14 01:21 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-13 21:58 +0000
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                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-13 23:07 +0000
                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 03:08 +0000
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                Re: Over-Elaborate Shell Scripting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-13 21:08 +0000
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