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From vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
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Subject Re: Favorite Font
Date 21 Sep 2025 22:31:10 GMT
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 10:14:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <10aoflf$1jd5c$10@dont-email.me>:

> On 21/09/2025 08:20, vallor wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 16:59:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <10amj0m$160hk$9@dont-email.me>:
>> 
>>> storage does not consume watts
>> 
>> (reads statement)
>> 
>> (looks at humming NAS)
>> 
> Nut does not look at *actual* power consumption of said rust.
> Nor go and look up the energy content of a piece of printed paper.
> 
>> Oooookaaaaaay...
>> 
>> (My NAS is a Synology Diskstation.  The ones at the business are NetApp
>> Filers...less email would mean less filers online, potentially with
>> less spinning rust.  Just sayin'...)
>> 
>> 
> Most spinning rust is full of obsolete garbage which people cant be
> bothered to throw away because once you need any storage at all, it is
> no more expensive in energy  to have shitloads.
> 
> The amount of space I save by not having any files for important
> paperwork, but instead storing them on a computer is worth far far more
> than the trivial cost of running a couple of terabyte drives per annum.
> 
> Let's Do Sums.
> 
> I have 102 directories of 'stuff' in my main storage hierarchy, each one
> with 5-10 subdirectories.
> 
> Everything is in there, medical records,instruction manuals , guarantees
> and service manuals
> 
> I have at most 10 box files of paper, not 300+.
> 
> Lets say that the two terabyte sized drives take 5W each on average,.
> 
> That is 87600 watt hours or 87.6 units of electricity per year. perhaps
> around £20 per annum. ($30 or near enough)
> 
> Energy I need to burn *anyway* to have *any* access to computer storage
> AT ALL.
> 
> A box file would cost £2.20 for the most basic.
> 
> so the cost of just the box files to store all that data would be in the
> £660 range. And in order to store them I would need shelves and shelves,
> like a lawyers office,all heated and kept dry at far far greater cost
> and expensive.
> 
> Now let's look at the paper. Each sheet cost about 0.5p which is broadly
> a proxy for the energy in manufacturing it and getting it to me.
> 
> The CHEAPEST cost quoted to print it out is 0.8 p and a colour printer
> cost at least 20p or more.
> 
> So each sheet of paper represents an outlay of at least 1,3p and maybe
> up to 20p if its color.
> 
> I receive 10 emails a day. so my cost is somewhere around 13-230p a day
> or  between £10  and £839 per year depending on the size of emails and
> their color content.
> 
> Now if I cost my physical storage out at something like £20 per square
> meter per year - a very reasonable price - and I need a room of about 5
> x 1.5 meter to store my boxfile shelving, then I need to spend around
> £150 a year to rent and maintain that...
> 
> And of course if I want off site backup, another office somewhere
> else....
> 
> NO WAY is keeping my files on a computer more energy intensive or
> expensive than storing it all as paper.
> 
> And yes, I was technical and financial director of several companies,
> and that's how we made a profit. Doing BoringSums.
> 
> And not acting like ArtStudents and making uneducated guesses and
> calling them facts.

I wasn't disagreeing with your overall point, just the point
I quoted.

Offline storage is one thing, but online storage is going to have
a non-zero power cost.

Just making Usenet conversation, carry on. :)

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