Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Favorite Font Date: 21 Sep 2025 22:31:10 GMT Lines: 99 Message-ID: References: <1835a5c81ceedfd3$44418$19313$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> <20250414092849.00004cdd@gmail.com> <87wmbcguz9.fsf@somewhere.edu> <87wm5u9jh8.fsf@somewhere.edu> <68cec4ae$0$16841$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <10amj0m$160hk$9@dont-email.me> <10aoflf$1jd5c$10@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net A8zNx1vJLpyCFB5kWGQsQwERcofgODaDqlwFSRDx0AA1e0R9Y7 Cancel-Lock: sha1:YjS1a7FQ9c8wLG/vRMVu+JrP/Yc= sha256:0f1jCxshdNv8rKgGwRVj5wuQ5jOi/9HcjAy5O2CV41U= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.164 (UA6; fe8cfad3; Linux-6.16.8) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:697412 comp.os.linux.misc:74780 On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 10:14:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote in <10aoflf$1jd5c$10@dont-email.me>: > On 21/09/2025 08:20, vallor wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2025 16:59:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher >> wrote in <10amj0m$160hk$9@dont-email.me>: >> >>> storage does not consume watts >> >> (reads statement) >> >> (looks at humming NAS) >> > Nut does not look at *actual* power consumption of said rust. > Nor go and look up the energy content of a piece of printed paper. > >> Oooookaaaaaay... >> >> (My NAS is a Synology Diskstation. The ones at the business are NetApp >> Filers...less email would mean less filers online, potentially with >> less spinning rust. Just sayin'...) >> >> > Most spinning rust is full of obsolete garbage which people cant be > bothered to throw away because once you need any storage at all, it is > no more expensive in energy to have shitloads. > > The amount of space I save by not having any files for important > paperwork, but instead storing them on a computer is worth far far more > than the trivial cost of running a couple of terabyte drives per annum. > > Let's Do Sums. > > I have 102 directories of 'stuff' in my main storage hierarchy, each one > with 5-10 subdirectories. > > Everything is in there, medical records,instruction manuals , guarantees > and service manuals > > I have at most 10 box files of paper, not 300+. > > Lets say that the two terabyte sized drives take 5W each on average,. > > That is 87600 watt hours or 87.6 units of electricity per year. perhaps > around £20 per annum. ($30 or near enough) > > Energy I need to burn *anyway* to have *any* access to computer storage > AT ALL. > > A box file would cost £2.20 for the most basic. > > so the cost of just the box files to store all that data would be in the > £660 range. And in order to store them I would need shelves and shelves, > like a lawyers office,all heated and kept dry at far far greater cost > and expensive. > > Now let's look at the paper. Each sheet cost about 0.5p which is broadly > a proxy for the energy in manufacturing it and getting it to me. > > The CHEAPEST cost quoted to print it out is 0.8 p and a colour printer > cost at least 20p or more. > > So each sheet of paper represents an outlay of at least 1,3p and maybe > up to 20p if its color. > > I receive 10 emails a day. so my cost is somewhere around 13-230p a day > or between £10 and £839 per year depending on the size of emails and > their color content. > > Now if I cost my physical storage out at something like £20 per square > meter per year - a very reasonable price - and I need a room of about 5 > x 1.5 meter to store my boxfile shelving, then I need to spend around > £150 a year to rent and maintain that... > > And of course if I want off site backup, another office somewhere > else.... > > NO WAY is keeping my files on a computer more energy intensive or > expensive than storing it all as paper. > > And yes, I was technical and financial director of several companies, > and that's how we made a profit. Doing BoringSums. > > And not acting like ArtStudents and making uneducated guesses and > calling them facts. I wasn't disagreeing with your overall point, just the point I quoted. Offline storage is one thing, but online storage is going to have a non-zero power cost. Just making Usenet conversation, carry on. :) -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.16.8 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.82.09 Mem: 258G "You can't have everything...where would you put it?"