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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE]

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From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
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Subject Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE]
Date 10 Sep 2025 19:36:44 GMT
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 09:41:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/09/2025 20:09, rbowman wrote:
>> How many million live would have been saved if the US didn't send
>> materiel and money? WWI may have been as short and sweet as everyone
>> thought it would be.
> US involvement in WWI was so small as to be completely irrelevant.
> 
> Even WWII it was fairy minimal in terms of 'boots on the ground' and
> deaths

US dollars and materiel were not irrelevant in WWI or WWII. Britain fought 
both wars on borrowed money it could ill afford, using materiel it could 
not produce. A further injection of money after WWII kept it afloat as 
Atlee tried to finish the job Germany had started.

He did a great job. Jaguar Land Rover is now owned by TATA, MG Motor is 
owned by SAIC, a Chinese company, and the Bavarians are building the conic 
mini along with Rolls-Royces. VW got the Bentleys. The history of BAE 
Systems is too confusing to parse. Who owns that? You couldn't even hold 
on to Cadbury, now owned by Mondelez. The Empire is gone with the wind.

Maybe those wars weren't the greatest idea?  Meanwhile Starmer is writing 
cheeks his ass can't cash.

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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-08 23:30 +1000
  Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 03:14 +0000
    Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 04:12 -0400
      Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 11:10 +0100
        Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-09 13:22 +0200
        Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-09 19:09 +0000
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-09 14:45 -0700
            Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 20:35 -0400
              Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 07:30 +0000
                Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 08:02 -0400
              Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-11 00:06 +1000
                Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 08:23 -0700
                Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 19:09 +0000
                Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 15:40 -0400
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:41 +0100
            Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 19:36 +0000
              Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 18:17 -0700
        Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-10 02:33 +0000
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 07:32 +0000
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:53 +0100
            Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 11:19 +0100
              Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 12:26 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 19:39 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 18:23 -0700
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 21:44 -0400
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-11 10:51 +0200
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-11 07:16 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-11 10:50 +0100
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-11 10:49 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-11 17:32 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-11 18:40 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 03:48 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-11 21:14 -0700
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 07:23 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 07:11 +0000
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 06:01 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 15:37 +0100
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-12 12:50 +0200
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 09:15 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 15:44 +0100
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 11:02 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 07:59 +0100
                Re: Submarines Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2025-09-13 11:54 +0000
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 19:14 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-13 14:53 -0700
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 15:43 +0100
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-13 01:25 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 01:08 +0000
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 20:52 +0000
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 23:48 -0400
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 05:13 +0000
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 02:12 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 07:25 +0100
                Re: Submarines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-13 18:26 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-13 15:02 -0700
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-13 18:51 -0400
                Re: Submarines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-13 22:56 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:45 +0100
                Re: Submarines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 16:17 +0000
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 13:49 +0200
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 17:52 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 20:11 +0000
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 20:11 +0000
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                Re: Tariffs Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 15:28 -0700
                Re: Tariffs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:28 +0000
                Re: Tariffs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:16 +0100
                Re: Tariffs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:02 +0000
                Re: Tariffs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:12 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:43 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 00:11 +0000
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 02:01 -0400
        Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-10 22:40 +1000
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 14:05 +0100
            Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 23:56 +0100
              Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 21:00 -0400
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-11 10:58 +0200
    Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-10 22:23 +1000

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