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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE]

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.defense
Subject Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE]
Date 2025-09-09 19:09 +0000
Message-ID <mibcb2F5krvU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (21 earlier) <CPycnTdQCd2UITf1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <109mlpa$aju3$1@dont-email.me> <lYMvQ.733616$jMMa.210790@fx09.iad> <zZWcnYoXMOYefCL1nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <109ouee$t9ek$5@dont-email.me>

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On Tue, 9 Sep 2025 11:10:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The war cost somewhere between 8 and 10 million lives overall, of which
> precisely 54,000 were in fact from the USA. Always a day late and a
> dollar short.

Definitely not a dollar short.

https://ehs.org.uk/the-uks-unpaid-war-debts-to-the-united-
states-1917-1980/

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-30306579

"George Osborne said: "This is a moment for Britain to be proud of. We 
can, at last, pay off the debts Britain incurred to fight the First World 
War."

Dated 3 December 2014.  

Then in the WWII era Roosevelt did an end run around the Neutrality Act 
with 'Cash and Carry'. When Britain ran out of cash, it became 'Lend-
Lease' and all attempts to maintain the facade of neutrality were dropped. 
After the war the lend lease material was sold off at about a 90% discount 
and the Anglo-American Load kept Britain afloat. It only took about 60 
years to pay that one off.

How many million live would have been saved if the US didn't send materiel 
and money? WWI may have been as short and sweet as everyone thought it 
would be. 

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Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-08 23:30 +1000
  Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 03:14 +0000
    Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 04:12 -0400
      Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 11:10 +0100
        Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-09 13:22 +0200
        Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-09 19:09 +0000
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-09 14:45 -0700
            Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 20:35 -0400
              Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 07:30 +0000
                Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 08:02 -0400
              Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-11 00:06 +1000
                Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 08:23 -0700
                Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 19:09 +0000
                Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 15:40 -0400
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:41 +0100
            Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 19:36 +0000
              Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 18:17 -0700
        Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-10 02:33 +0000
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 07:32 +0000
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:53 +0100
            Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 11:19 +0100
              Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 12:26 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 19:39 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-10 18:23 -0700
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 21:44 -0400
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-11 10:51 +0200
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-11 07:16 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-11 10:50 +0100
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-11 10:49 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-11 17:32 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-11 18:40 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 03:48 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-11 21:14 -0700
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 07:23 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 07:11 +0000
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 06:01 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 15:37 +0100
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-12 12:50 +0200
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 09:15 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 15:44 +0100
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 11:02 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-13 07:59 +0100
                Re: Submarines Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2025-09-13 11:54 +0000
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 19:14 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-13 14:53 -0700
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 15:43 +0100
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-13 01:25 +0200
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 01:08 +0000
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-12 20:52 +0000
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 23:48 -0400
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-13 05:13 +0000
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 02:12 -0400
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-12 07:25 +0100
                Re: Submarines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-13 18:26 +0000
                Re: Submarines Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-13 15:02 -0700
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-13 18:51 -0400
                Re: Submarines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-13 22:56 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:45 +0100
                Re: Submarines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 16:17 +0000
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 13:49 +0200
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 17:52 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 20:11 +0000
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 20:11 +0000
                Tariffs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-14 22:46 +0200
                Re: Tariffs Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 15:28 -0700
                Re: Tariffs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:28 +0000
                Re: Tariffs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:16 +0100
                Re: Tariffs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:02 +0000
                Re: Tariffs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:12 +0000
                Re: Submarines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-14 08:43 +0100
                Re: Submarines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 00:11 +0000
                Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-12 02:01 -0400
        Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-10 22:40 +1000
          Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 14:05 +0100
            Re: Submarines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 23:56 +0100
              Re: Submarines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-10 21:00 -0400
                Re: Submarines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-11 10:58 +0200
    Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-10 22:23 +1000

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