Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy

From	D <nospam@example.net>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy
Date	2024-11-04 10:15 +0100
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:52:34 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Robots, automation, optimization and general technological development
>> will take care of it and us. I'm personally not worrie in the least. On
>> the other hand, I am an optimist. Many people do not like me for being
>> an optimist, but such is life.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_(novel)
>
> I found that in my high school library shelved with Heinlein and other
> writers. Vonnegut was nit well known in the early '60s. Perhaps the
> librarian made the connection between Illium and Troy High.
>
> It was thought provoking. The setting was a thinly veiled Tri-Cities which
> made it all the more interesting. I was on a path which ultimately led to
> RPI, which was more or less across the street, and a career as one of the
> engineers who kept the robots and automation going.

Great book! Must have been over 2 decades since I last read it.

> The problem hasn't gone away. What do you do with the millions, if not
> billions, who are unneeded in the 21st century and don't even have the
> skills and aptitude to survive?
>

Good question. These are some of the standard answers:

"In terms of society, I think there will always be a demand for things as
long as humans have desires. Having AI replacing all production I think
we'll see the following activities for humans:

* Sports
* Pleasure/Hospitality/Leisure industry
* Culture (human created culture, plays, concerts will get premium value
   much like we can today buy factory produced items at a fraction of the
   price of handmade items.)
* Science (we'll do science with the help of AI, if they do not reach
   god-like status.)
* Teaching/education (having a human teacher will become a value-add
   even though everything would be available online and through AI:s)
* Raising children/family time
* Philosophy
* Space exploration (Yes, we can send robots, but given a 
society rich
   enough I think the human will to explore and to "be there" will come
   into play.
* Religion/psychology/therapy

So no matter how powerful AI becomes I think the above are examples of
areas where humans will still play a role and add value just by being
humans.".

I think we also need some good progress in psychology around what 
motivates people, what gives them meaning, and happiness. We have made a 
lot of progress in that field, but the knowledge is mostly locked up 
behind the iron gates of universities and clinics, and not spread widely 
to the public through our schools.

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  Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-25 10:29 +0100
    Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-25 22:11 +0200
      Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
        Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-26 12:18 +0200
          Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
            Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-26 22:06 +0200
              Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 16:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 17:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-29 01:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 03:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 04:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-29 15:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 15:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 20:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 20:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 00:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 08:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2024-10-30 07:20 -0300
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 22:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 00:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-30 14:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 00:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 08:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 12:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 13:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 18:35 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-30 14:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 15:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 18:37 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 18:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 21:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-10-30 15:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 15:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:52 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:15 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 15:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 17:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 21:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 17:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 21:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 01:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 02:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 23:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 01:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 10:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 23:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 01:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 21:41 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 01:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 10:34 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 21:52 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-05 17:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 21:55 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 21:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 23:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 01:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 00:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 23:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 03:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 01:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 03:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 04:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 12:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 15:35 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 18:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 21:54 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:10 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 21:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-10 12:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy William <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-10 15:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-11 01:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-10 12:26 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 23:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:17 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 20:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 21:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 02:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-12 18:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:54 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-14 11:50 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-10 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-11 19:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 11:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 19:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 20:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 21:41 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:55 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 10:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 18:39 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-13 06:52 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-12 21:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-13 08:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-13 09:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-13 12:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-14 08:02 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-13 23:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-13 23:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-14 11:50 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-13 13:32 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-14 00:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-13 10:13 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 06:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:11 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 20:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 01:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 09:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy William <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-10 15:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 19:02 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 23:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:15 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 18:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 23:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:14 +0100
                Re: The joy of LibreOffice Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-10 23:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:06 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 15:34 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 18:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 21:56 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 01:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:06 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:08 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 22:00 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 01:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-10 09:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:23 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-11-12 04:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Herbivores Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-12 23:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of Herbivores Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-11-13 05:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of Herbivores Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-13 22:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-11-10 23:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 11:18 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 18:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-10 19:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:17 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-11 15:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 20:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-12 10:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 11:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-11 07:35 -0500
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy maus <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-11 20:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-11 15:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 15:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-11 17:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-11 22:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 02:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 15:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:11 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 21:58 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 21:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 02:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 11:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-10 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:09 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:09 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-10 14:08 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-10 23:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 20:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-12 02:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 05:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:53 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 09:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 18:38 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 03:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-08 16:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 06:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 19:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 15:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 09:55 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 21:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 22:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 01:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 20:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-07 17:57 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 01:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 02:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-08 16:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-11-10 01:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-11-11 13:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 14:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-11 11:19 -0500
                Re: The joy of Economics Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 21:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 03:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 06:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 11:02 +0100
                Re: The joy of Economics The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 20:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 20:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-29 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 00:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 10:59 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 11:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 18:33 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 18:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 21:39 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 16:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 21:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:56 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 01:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 02:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 17:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 03:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 00:25 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-31 18:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 18:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 21:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 00:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 10:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-01 10:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-01 16:14 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 05:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 06:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 08:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-04 06:57 -0500
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-01 07:04 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-31 21:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-01 09:00 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-31 22:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 02:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 04:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Aotearoa Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 04:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of Aotearoa rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-11-01 17:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 19:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 22:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 17:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 03:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 11:25 -1000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:12 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 01:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 01:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 03:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 13:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-01 16:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-02 07:54 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-02 17:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 10:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:34 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 18:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 19:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 10:55 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 21:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 01:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 02:34 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 11:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 01:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 01:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 19:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 03:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-05 20:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 01:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 02:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:01 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 18:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:05 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 21:47 +0100
                Re: The joy of Zeppelins Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 21:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of Zeppelins rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 00:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Zeppelins Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 02:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Zeppelins Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 00:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 01:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 02:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 06:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 15:52 +0100
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 02:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 21:58 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 00:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 00:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of Music Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 01:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 19:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-01 10:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:30 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:03 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 00:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-04 06:54 -0500
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:16 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:18 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:45 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 20:03 -0500
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2024-11-04 14:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 17:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 15:55 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 21:39 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 09:51 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:16 +0100

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