Re: The joy of Democracy

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: The joy of Democracy
Date	2024-10-25 10:29 +0100
Organization	A little, after lunch
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On 25/10/2024 09:59, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-10-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-10-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-10-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In that sense the companies themselves have gone 'socialist' in 
>>>>>>>> that, like
>>>>>>>> Marx, they regard economics as a zero sum game.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incorrect. By design they do what they do, and whether the 
>>>>>>> economy is
>>>>>>> zero sum (it is not) or not, does not really apply. That is why 
>>>>>>> todays
>>>>>>> crypto-socialist government is so extremely dangerous. It 
>>>>>>> subverts and
>>>>>>> distorts the markets, just by existing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to large corporations subverting and distorting the 
>>>>>> markets,
>>>>>> as God intended.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do it with the help of the governments. By themselves, per
>>>>> definition, they are not able to over time.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is, it isn't about creating more wealth, it's about who 
>>>>>>>> gets to own
>>>>>>>> what there is left.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I.e., a zero-sum game.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it is not, and that is proven by economics. The proof is that 
>>>>> we are
>>>>> 8.2 billion people on the planet and we've never had it better.
>>
>> FSVO "we".
>>
>>>>> If economy was zero sum, we'd be dead by now.
>>>>
>>>> Give it time...
>>>
>>> Exactly. No proof, so far.
>>
>> "So far, so good," the man falling past the 5th floor of the
>> Empire State building was heard to say.
> 
> That's nonsense and you know it.

Well no, it isn't.
Civilisations have fallen through no apparent fault of their own.

Egypt's soldiered on nearly 3000 years before vanishing under Rome and 
then falling victim to Islam.

But I reiterate, of course no economy is actually a zero sum game nor 
has been since we invented agriculture.

It is just that Marxism is steeped in the ethics of the hunter-gatherer 
political structure (no one owns anything: All property is common) and 
economics, and that *is* a zero sum game.  If you kill the game and pick 
the fruit, the next door tribe can't.

The fact that the conditions where all this worked ceased to exist 5000 
years ago doesn't deter the nostalgia of the True Marxist from trying to 
turn the clock of civilisation back that far.


-- 
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will 
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such 
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic 
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally 
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for 
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the 
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

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                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-23 11:34 +0100
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                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-25 10:59 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-25 10:29 +0100
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                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 00:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 08:35 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 13:32 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 20:07 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:01 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 21:02 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:56 +0100
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                Re: The joy of Civilization The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 17:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:20 +0100
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:11 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 02:15 +0000
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                Re: The joy of Aotearoa rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:21 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 19:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:07 +0100
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                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 11:25 -1000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:12 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 01:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 01:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 03:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 13:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-01 16:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-02 07:54 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-02 17:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 10:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:34 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 18:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 19:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 10:55 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 01:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:01 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 18:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:05 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 01:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 02:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 06:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 19:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-01 10:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:30 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:03 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 00:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-04 06:54 -0500
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:16 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:18 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:45 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 20:03 -0500
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:16 +0100
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:08 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 00:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:13 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 00:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 01:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 08:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 12:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 19:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-31 12:42 -1000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 00:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 01:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-11-01 17:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 22:01 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:54 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-29 19:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:51 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 18:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-25 22:12 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-26 12:22 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-24 10:09 +0200
              Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 09:38 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-22 10:01 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 12:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 17:34 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 00:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 01:49 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 02:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 00:38 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-22 22:40 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:55 +0000
      Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:35 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:27 +0000

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