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Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy

From Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy
Date 2024-11-03 10:55 -1000
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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
> The link I posted about the California High Speed Rail project bears that 
> put. Even in the 19th century when most of the US rail infrastructure was 
> built corruption was the catch of the day.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9dit_Mobilier_scandal
>
> If you like dramas:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_on_Wheels_(TV_series)

past "Railroaded" aritcle/book
http://phys.org/news/2012-01-railroad-hyperbole-echoes-dot-com-frenzy.html
and
https://www.amazon.com/Railroaded-Transcontinentals-Making-America-ebook/dp/B0051GST1U
pg77/pg1984-86: By the end of the summer of 1873 the western railroads
had, within the span of two years, ended the Indian treaty system in the
United States, brought down a Canadian government, and nearly paralyzed
the U.S. Congress. The greatest blow remained to be delivered. The
railroads were about to bring down the North American economy.

pg510/loc10030-33: The result was not only unneeded railroads whose
effects were as often bad as beneficial but also corruption of the
markets and the government. The men who directed this capital were
frequently not themselves capitalists. They were entrepreneurs who
borrowed money or collected subsidies. These entrepreneurs did not
invent the railroad, but they were inventing corporations, railroad
systems, and new forms of competition. Those things yielded both
personal wealth and social disasters

pg515/loc10118-22: The need to invest capital and labor in large amounts
to maintain and upgrade what had already been built was one debt owed to
the past, but the second one was what Charles Francis Adams in his days
as a reformer referred to as a tax on trade. All of the watered stock,
money siphoned off into private pockets, waste, and fraud that
characterized the building of the railroads created a corporate debt
that had to be paid through higher rates and scrimping on service. A
shipper in 1885 was still paying for the frauds of the 1860s.


... and railroads scamming the supreme court
https://www.amazon.com/We-Corporations-American-Businesses-Rights-ebook/dp/B01M64LRDJ/
pgxiii/loc45-50: IN DECEMBER 1882, ROSCOE CONKLING, A FORMER SENATOR and
close confidant of President Chester Arthur, appeared before the
justices of the Supreme Court of the United States to argue that
corporations like his client, the Southern Pacific Railroad Company,
were entitled to equal rights under the Fourteenth Amendment. Although
that provision of the Constitution said that no state shall "deprive any
person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" or
"deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the
laws," Conkling insisted the amendment's drafters intended to cover
business corporations too.

pg36/loc726-28: On this issue, Hamiltonians were
corporationalists--proponents of corporate enterprise who advocated for
expansive constitutional rights for business. Jeffersonians, meanwhile,
were populists--opponents of corporate power who sought to limit
corporate rights in the name of the people.

pg229/loc3667-68: IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY, CORPORATIONS WON LIBERTY
RIGHTS, SUCH AS FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND RELIGION, WITH THE HELP OF
ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.


False Profits: Reviving the Corporation's Public Purpose
https://www.uclalawreview.org/false-profits-reviving-the-corporations-public-purpose/

I Origins of the Corporation. Although the corporate structure dates
back as far as the Greek and Roman Empires, characteristics of the
modern corporation began to appear in England in the mid-thirteenth
century.[4] "Merchant guilds" were loose organizations of merchants
"governed through a council somewhat akin to a board of directors," and
organized to "achieve a common purpose"[5] that was public in
nature. Indeed, merchant guilds registered with the state and were
approved only if they were "serving national purposes."[6]

... however there has been significant pressure to give corporate
charters to entities operating in self-interest ... followed by
extending constitutional "people" rights to corporations. The supreme
court was scammed into extending 14th amendment rights to corporations
(with faux claims that was what the original authors had intended).
https://www.amazon.com/We-Corporations-American-Businesses-Rights-ebook/dp/B01M64LRDJ/
pgxiv/loc74-78: Between 1868, when the amendment was ratified, and 1912,
when a scholar set out to identify every Fourteenth Amendment case heard
by the Supreme Court, the justices decided 28 cases dealing with the
rights of African Americans--and an astonishing 312 cases dealing with
the rights of corporations.


-- 
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Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:02 +0000
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        Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
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            Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
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                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 02:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-27 16:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 17:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-29 01:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 03:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 04:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-29 15:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 15:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 20:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 20:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 00:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 08:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2024-10-30 07:20 -0300
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 22:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 00:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-30 14:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 00:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-30 20:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 08:35 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 13:32 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-30 14:15 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 18:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 21:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-10-30 15:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 15:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:09 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:32 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 17:47 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 17:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:33 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 01:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 02:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 23:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 01:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 10:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 23:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 01:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 21:41 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 01:18 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:48 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-05 17:45 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 21:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 23:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 01:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 00:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 23:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 03:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 01:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 03:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 04:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 12:38 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 18:44 +0000
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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:10 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 21:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-10 12:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy William <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-10 15:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-11 01:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-10 12:26 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 23:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:17 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 20:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 21:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 02:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-10 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-11 19:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 11:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 19:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 20:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 21:41 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 06:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:11 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 20:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 01:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 09:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy William <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-10 15:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 19:02 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 23:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:15 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 18:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 23:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:14 +0100
                Re: The joy of LibreOffice Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-10 23:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:06 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 15:34 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 18:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 21:56 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 01:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:06 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:08 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 22:00 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 01:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-10 09:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:23 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-11-12 04:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-11-10 23:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 11:18 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 18:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-10 19:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:17 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-11 15:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 20:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 11:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-11 07:35 -0500
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy maus <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-11 20:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-11 15:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 15:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-11 17:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-11 22:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 02:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 15:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:11 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 21:58 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 21:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 02:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 11:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-10 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:09 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:09 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-10 14:08 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-10 23:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 20:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-12 02:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 05:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:53 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 09:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 03:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-08 16:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 06:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 19:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 15:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 09:55 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 21:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 22:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 01:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 20:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-07 17:57 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 01:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 02:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-08 16:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-11-10 01:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-11-11 13:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 14:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-11 11:19 -0500
                Re: The joy of Economics Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 21:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 03:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 06:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 11:02 +0100
                Re: The joy of Economics The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 20:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 20:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-29 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 00:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 10:59 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 11:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 18:33 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 18:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 21:39 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 16:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 21:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:56 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 01:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 02:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 17:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 03:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 00:25 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-31 18:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 18:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 21:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 00:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 10:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-01 10:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-01 16:14 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 05:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 06:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 08:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-04 06:57 -0500
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-01 07:04 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-31 21:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-01 09:00 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-31 22:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 02:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 04:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Aotearoa Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 04:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of Aotearoa rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-11-01 17:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 19:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 22:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 17:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 03:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 11:25 -1000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:12 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 01:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 01:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 03:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 13:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-01 16:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-02 07:54 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-02 17:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 10:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:34 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 18:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 19:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 10:55 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 21:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 01:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 02:34 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 11:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 01:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 01:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 19:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 03:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-05 20:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 01:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 02:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:01 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 18:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:05 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 21:47 +0100
                Re: The joy of Zeppelins Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 21:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of Zeppelins rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 00:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Zeppelins Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 02:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Zeppelins Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 00:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 01:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 02:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 06:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 15:52 +0100
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 02:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 21:58 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 00:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 00:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of Music Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 01:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 22:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 19:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-01 10:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:30 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:03 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 00:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-04 06:54 -0500
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:16 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:18 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:45 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 20:03 -0500
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2024-11-04 14:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 17:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 15:55 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 21:39 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 09:51 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:16 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:08 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 00:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:13 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 21:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 20:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 03:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 10:38 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 04:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 09:55 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-07 18:17 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 02:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 15:33 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-08 16:55 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 01:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:05 +0100

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