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Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints

Subject Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints
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From "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
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Date 2024-10-16 02:54 -0400
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On 10/15/24 7:03 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 15/10/2024 07:31, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 10/14/24 6:16 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>>> I think that even if it does not work successfully it is great that 
>>> people are thinking outside the box.
>>> Analogue computers could offer massive parallelism for simulating 
>>> complex dynamic systems.
>>
>>
>>    Yea, but not much PRECISION beyond a stage or two
>>    of calx  :-)
>>
>>    No "perfect" fixes.
> 
> As I said, let's say we are simulating airflow over  a fast moving 
> object - now normally the fluid dynamics CFM is crap and it is cheaper 
> and more accurate to throw it in a wind tunnel.

   Very likely ... though I've never thrown anything into
   a wind tunnel.

   Analog still has a place. Until you go atomic it really
   is a very analog universe.

   In theory you can do "digitized analog" ... signal
   levels that seem/act analog but are really finely
   discrete digital values. This CAN minimize the
   chain-calc accuracy problem.


> The wind tunnel is not measuiring data to any high accuracy but its 
> using atomic level measurement cells in enormous quantities in parallel.
> 
> The problem with CFM is you cant have too may 'cells' or you run out of 
> computer power. Its a step beyond 3D modelling where the more triangles 
> you have the closer to real everything looks, but its a similar problem .
> 
> But a wind tunnel built out of analogue 'cells' might be quite simple in 
> concept. Just large in silicon scale.
> 
> And it wouldn't need to be 'programmed' as its internal logic would be 
> constructed to be the equations that govern fluid dynamics. All you 
> would then do is take a 3D surface and constrain every cell in that 
> computer on that surface to have zero output.
> 
> If I were a graduate again that's a PhD project that would appeal...

   I've seen old analog computers - mostly aimed at finding
   spring rates and such. Rs, caps, inductors ... you can
   sim a somewhat complex mechanical system just by plugging
   in modules. Real-time and adequately accurate. You can
   fake it in digital now however ... but it's not as
   beautiful/natural.

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Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-12 22:54 -0400
  Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 10:15 +0100
    Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:25 +0100
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-13 14:23 +0100
        Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:16 +0100
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-15 07:10 +1000
            Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 23:47 +0100
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-15 02:31 -0400
            Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:03 +0100
              Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 02:54 -0400
    Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-15 02:30 -0400
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2024-10-15 08:52 +0100
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 09:14 +0100
  Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-13 11:45 +0100
    Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-15 02:43 -0400
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:06 +0100
        Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 02:38 -0400
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-16 08:23 +0100
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 11:56 +0100
            Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 00:20 -0400
              Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 17:34 +0100
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints 186282ud0s3 <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 14:12 -0400
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-18 15:56 -0400
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:06 +0100
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-15 19:20 +0000
        Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-15 15:46 -0400
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-16 02:35 +0000
            Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 03:13 -0400
              Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-16 07:40 -0400
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-16 16:16 +0000
                Less politics, more Linux! (was: Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-16 16:25 +0000
                Re: Less politics, more Linux! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-16 14:24 -0400
                Re: Less politics, more Linux! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-16 18:29 +0000
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 20:02 +0100
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-16 21:07 +0000
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-17 06:54 -0400
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-17 13:38 +0100

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