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Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints

Subject Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
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From "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
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Date 2024-10-15 02:30 -0400
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On 10/13/24 5:15 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> writes:
>> https://techxplore.com/news/2024-10-integer-addition-algorithm-energy-ai.html
> [...]
>>    The default use of floating-point really took off when
>>    'neural networks' became popular in the 80s. Seemed the
>>    ideal way to keep track of all the various weightings
>>    and values.
>>
>>    But, floating-point operations use a huge amount of
>>    CPU/NPU power.
>>
>>    Seems somebody finally realized that the 'extra resolution'
>>    of floating-point was rarely necessary and you can just
>>    use large integers instead. Integer math is FAST and uses
>>    LITTLE power .....
> 
> That’s situational. In this case, the paper isn’t about using large
> integers, it’s about very low precision floating point representations.
> They’ve just found a way to approximate floating point multiplication
> without multiplying the fractional parts of the mantissas.


   They need to take it further - integers instead
   of ANY floating-point absolutely anywhere possible.

   The greenies have begun to freak over the sheer electric
   power required by "AI" systems. It IS rather a lot. It's
   getting worse than even bitcoin mining now. Judging by
   the article, a large percentage of that energy is going
   into un-needed floating-point calx.

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Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-12 22:54 -0400
  Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 10:15 +0100
    Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:25 +0100
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-13 14:23 +0100
        Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:16 +0100
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-15 07:10 +1000
            Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 23:47 +0100
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-15 02:31 -0400
            Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:03 +0100
              Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 02:54 -0400
    Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-15 02:30 -0400
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2024-10-15 08:52 +0100
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 09:14 +0100
  Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-13 11:45 +0100
    Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-15 02:43 -0400
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:06 +0100
        Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 02:38 -0400
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-16 08:23 +0100
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 11:56 +0100
            Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 00:20 -0400
              Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 17:34 +0100
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints 186282ud0s3 <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 14:12 -0400
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-18 15:56 -0400
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:06 +0100
      Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-15 19:20 +0000
        Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-15 15:46 -0400
          Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-16 02:35 +0000
            Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 03:13 -0400
              Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-16 07:40 -0400
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-16 16:16 +0000
                Less politics, more Linux! (was: Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-16 16:25 +0000
                Re: Less politics, more Linux! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-16 14:24 -0400
                Re: Less politics, more Linux! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-16 18:29 +0000
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 20:02 +0100
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-16 21:07 +0000
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-17 06:54 -0400
                Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-17 13:38 +0100

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