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| Subject | Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints |
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| From | "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> |
| Organization | wokiesux |
| Date | 2024-10-18 00:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <OUOdnY595riFf4z6nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com> (permalink) |
On 10/16/24 6:56 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> writes: >> BUT ... as said, even a 32-bit int can handle fairly >> large vals. Mult little vals by 100 or 1000 and you can >> throw away the need for decimal points - and the POWER >> required to do such calx. Accuracy should be more than >> adequate. > > You’re talking about fixed-point arithmetic, which is already used where > appropriate (although the scale is a power of 2 so you can shift > products down into the right place rather than dividing). > >> In any case, I'm happy SOMEONE finally realized this. >> >> TOOK a really LONG time though ...... > > It’s obvious that you’ve not actually read or understood the paper that > this thread is about. Maybe I understood it better than you ... and from 4+ decades of experiences. But, argue as you will. I'm not too proud. Many are better than me, many more are worse. IF this was just about the power reqs of various forms of fixed/floating then there'd be little point in the article. Breaking the FP tradition as much as possible and going to (wide) ints really CAN save tons of power and time. With current AI systems this is a BIG deal. There was a period where I had to do some quasi-AI stuff for micro-controllers. Crude NNs/Fuzzy mostly. Not too sophisticated, yet the approach DID make 'em better. Now DO check into what's needed for FP on a PIC or 8051. It's nasty. By seeing beyond the usual examples in books and articles - which all used FP for "convenience" - I found the vast advantages of substituting ints instead. Easy to FAKE a few decimal-points of precision using ints. That's usually more than good enough. You can splice an NPU into most any kind of processor BUT the steps to do FP don't really change, still suck up power. Just SEEMS trivial because it's faster.
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Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-12 22:54 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 10:15 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:25 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-13 14:23 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:16 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-15 07:10 +1000
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 23:47 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-15 02:31 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:03 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 02:54 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-15 02:30 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2024-10-15 08:52 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 09:14 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-13 11:45 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-15 02:43 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:06 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 02:38 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-16 08:23 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 11:56 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 00:20 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 17:34 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints 186282ud0s3 <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 14:12 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-18 15:56 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:06 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-15 19:20 +0000
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-15 15:46 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-16 02:35 +0000
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 03:13 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-16 07:40 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-16 16:16 +0000
Less politics, more Linux! (was: Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-16 16:25 +0000
Re: Less politics, more Linux! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-16 14:24 -0400
Re: Less politics, more Linux! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-16 18:29 +0000
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 20:02 +0100
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-16 21:07 +0000
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-17 06:54 -0400
Re: Well DUH ! AI People Finally Realize They Can Ditch Most Floating-Point for Big Ints The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-17 13:38 +0100
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