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| Subject | Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc |
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| From | "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> |
| Organization | wokiesux |
| Date | 2024-10-04 00:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <K_idnZ52ZLAH7WL7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@earthlink.com> (permalink) |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 10/3/24 3:13 PM, Nux Vomica wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 01:47:00 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > >> >> It's a SERIOUS PROBLEM. We make SO much data now, >> SUCH volume, and at least SOME of it IS important >> for both legal and historical reasons - yet there >> are NO really good archival media. >> > > Very well stated. This was, of course, the real subject > of my original post. > > I would guess that human beings (a.k.a. Homo sapiens) are > not very far sighted. We witness this in societal reactions > to COVID-19 and global warming. It seems that human > civilization is not capable at all of being proactive. > >> >> Optical disks - esp M-Disks - can LAST ... but they >> are LOW-DENSITY by today's defs by a BIG margin. >> It's also not clear if you'd be able to FIND a >> DVD reader device 25 years from now. Even most >> current PCs/laptops don't COME with those anymore. >> > > BDR optical disks have enough capacity to easily deal with > business, government, or personal documents. > > It is only when we consider multimedia files, especially > videos, that we run into problems. Good luck finding a BDR reader device/drivers even 25 years from now. At my last job, they had about 10tb of stuff going back like forever - and SOME of it was of legal/historical significance but you'd never know exactly WHAT, so you had to keep it ALL alive. Other biz that might be 100tb easy. I remember ONE govt agency once demanded docs going back to the *1920s* ... fortunately they had THAT, albeit on old yellowed paper. Musta pissed-off the feds when they actually delivered that ... 'cause then they had to PAY OUT :-) >> >> The Library Of Congress and Smithsonian are FREAKIN' >> at this point. SO much historical data - but they >> can't even find the hardware/drivers to READ the >> often-proprietary media. >> > > This is another story that needs to be covered. How will > these and other institutions solve the problem and how can > any solutions be extended to personal computing? > > But since consumer-grade computing is dominated by fashion > and fad, it's not likely that the grubbing corps will produce > long-term storage technology. No, they won't. A FEW make adapters, but for HOW long ... and the drivers for whatever OS won't work forever. I have some 8-inch floppies - but NO way to read them anymore. Maybe SOME converter biz, but at what PRICE ? Even then 8-inch floppies were NOT all formatted the same at any level. Every maker tended to use their OWN "better" way. The govt/NASA stuff - even WORSE situation. Esp for NASA literal one-off devices/formats were made. For mag/optical ... in THEORY you can probe them micron by micron with mag/laser probes and then eventually figure out the format. Again $$$ !!! So, it's back to baked clay tablets ..... 10k years and still readable .......
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