Re: Alternative to Optical Storage????

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc, alt.os.linux
Subject	Re: Alternative to Optical Storage????
Date	2024-10-04 02:12 -0400
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On Thu, 10/3/2024 11:31 PM, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 10/3/24 1:13 PM, Rich wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>    Optical disks - esp M-Disks - can LAST ... but they
>>>    are LOW-DENSITY by today's defs by a BIG margin.
>>>    It's also not clear if you'd be able to FIND a
>>>    DVD reader device 25 years from now. Even most
>>>    current PCs/laptops don't COME with those anymore.
>>
>> Which is exactly the problem.
>>
>> Your DVD 'media' might survive 1,000 years.  But if you can't buy a DVD
>> reader for any price, all that 'media' is useless.
>>
>> We've already seen that issue before.  Try to find a Zip disk or
>> SuperDisk drive.  If any could be purchased, they would all be from
>> places like eBay and of questionable operational quality.
> 
>   I actually HAVE a gen-1 ZipDisk - parallel port.
>   They were supposed to be The Future  :-)
> 
>   Now nothing even comes with a parallel port.
>   Does anybody sell a USB->DB25 Parallel ?
> 
>   Ah :
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/C2G-16899-Parallel-Printer-Adapter/dp/B000UX21PY/ref=sr_1_6?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1VI8pfXqbYFCqzemMpvwSeS7sWlXF85-8KCEE02Eq0U5ijmY6VQsHDd4jiHTJdbXneNSTAjv0kQYw5VX4GdbqyTSunox50IwAfWTs_yauKlzZUkYaW-1O0zu_K-T2aZ-lucb5yIPkraxSzUvcjoEALqE4U6n0B54UxrIA4O_XuR08eLCcjsrjV-zuudG7_iyjE76TOIVN5lFDy-JxuJ6Z9LWfk4rkdxNqfT1bg0KjN0.sM52_QZ_SQzD3giWHwr3zXrQaCEJ8eYQR17c0YfJzW8&dib_tag=se&keywords=parallel+to+usb+adapter&qid=1728012393&sr=8-6
> 
>  Linux drivers ???????
> 
>> The reality is the only way to 'archive' is to periodically copy one's
>> archived data to newer storage systems, which involves at least the
>> work of the actual copy process (and which must occur before the
>> mechanical devices for the old media fail) and of verification that the
>> copy process did not itself corrupt the data.
> 
>   Exactly what I said ... "forward replication". It's
>   actual WORK alas .....
> 
>   "Cloud" also - but remember that the cloud can
>   go away in a number of fashions - and not just
>   Vlad and his boyz.
> 
>   Oh well, back to baked clay tablets - proven 9Kyear
>   retention and you don't need a reading device  :-)

That cable, supports one of four protocols. It might be referred
to as a "printer cable", and the only protocol available is
a printing protocol. It does not allow the other things, like
bit setting or whatever (mainly as no one wrote a driver to
do that). It can't run a ZIP drive.

*******

I have a PCI Express parallel port card (Oxford Semiconductor, Oxsemi).
It would come closer to the functions available on old computers.
A program allowed the parallel port, to function as a JTAG scan port.
The scan rate would not be very high, but it was just for programming
the flash chip next to an FPGA.

OxSemi was bought and crushed.

The example here, the branding looks like the chip is made by ASIX.

https://www.amazon.ca/StarTech-com-1-Port-Parallel-PCIe-Card/dp/B091TZPQ1K

But whether a 32-bit ZIP driver would run on a 64-bit OS
today, that seems unlikely. The driver would not be signed.
It's not a slam-dunk, that just adding a card to a desktop,
fixes things for you. But there are bits and pieces of solutions.

   Paul

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  Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 01:08 -0400
  Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-01 03:10 -0400
    Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-03 01:47 -0400
      Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
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        Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-03 23:31 -0400
          Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-04 02:12 -0400
          Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-10-05 07:01 +0200
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    Re: Alternative to Optical Storage???? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-03 02:28 -0400
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