Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2025 02:47:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2025 21:47:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: The "Standards" Game Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <3ihcmlx47d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <1070cqj$3jkmu$1@dont-email.me> <1071hu3$1idk1$1@news1.tnib.de> <9fjemlxbio.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <6jefmlxb6j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10884l7$173em$1@dont-email.me> <1089ge2$1fvl9$8@dont-email.me> <10g52v4$3o78s$4@dont-email.me> <10g7bqf$j278$2@dont-email.me> <10gd4jq$2ptu7$4@dont-email.me> <10gejtd$39ian$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US From: c186282 Organization: wokiesux In-Reply-To: <10gejtd$39ian$2@dont-email.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 76 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-qpH6KVV5NOtEmV26NiodGMV8QB4Nw2O+EZD9ghK88tjLkF3wcQBweim2Oh9muT0Fh1ztgwXNNzEc9FN!bxnKp20sdBLg20BT1Rfnc+KOkHqcjDWiSpLdDR1MxJVMIKVDUaxWymmsxjf7mF1eVSryDiAS9TZg!hgg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:78077 alt.comp.os.windows-11:27708 On 11/29/25 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/11/2025 04:45, c186282 wrote: >> On 11/28/25 21:42, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 21:35:54 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> I remember, in the early days of Android, when new models came out from >>>> Samsung, HTC, Oppo or whoever, they could be available throughout the >>>> GSM world in about a couple of weeks, while American users had to wait >>>> for adaptations specific to their various networks to be produced. >>> >>> iirc AT&T was GSM but they had no infrastructure in this area. >>> Verizon was >>> CDMA. I didn't have a problem with Verizon when traveling, including >>> California. I think AT&T was stronger in the Pacific Northest and the >>> east. >>> >>> In this case progress was useful. I bought a new phone at BestBuy last >>> month. Take it home, swap in the SIM, transfer my stuff, and I was >>> good to >>> go. >> >>    The USA likes to "throw a bunch of stuff out there" and >>    then LATER find a popular standard. USA might have come >>    up with something 'better' than GSM. Didn't, but that's >>    not the point. Too much of a standards push too early >>    generally means you get Standard CRAP. >> >> > The issue is in the philosophy that says 'we must think of everything > and create a standard that covers it all' and 'we need a standard to > interoperate with what we have right now. The rest can come later' > > The first approach leads to monstrosities like X windows, X > communication protocols and PostScript. And probably systemd I know what you mean. In tech, the "Covers EVERYTHING" mentality generally creates monstrosities. Oddly though, with tech, it's often easy to support multiple, perhaps specialist, formats and systems all on one chip. The need for *a* standard is not as super-important as once seen. USA ... hell, even the electric grid had two or three semi-incompatible 'standards' for quite awhile. You can still find appliances marked "AC/DC" :-) By Darwinian means, IF there's a good/best standard then it will eventually come to dominate. STILL expecting a "USB-V" for attachable devices, a +5v, +3.1v, GND ... and an optical fiber for the data exchange. Aim for 250gBS capability and wait for the actual chips to catch up. > The second led to Unix, C and TCP/IP. Well, those were kind of "evolutionary" ... the results of several "Oops ! NOT It !" experiences in the past. Unix was influenced by some trashy over-complicated system attempts previous. 'C' cometh from 'B' (there IS a 'B' compiler for Linux by the way) and 'B' cometh from a BPCL (also a Linux kit for it) which cometh from a super-stripped FORTRAN K&R liked. ALGOL inspired several, better, evolutionary products. Python brought over a fair amount of FORTRAN sensibility, and esp the easy string-parsing syntax, and a bit of ALGOL too. Now imagine if some World Committee had decided and enforced *a* programming lang in 1954, *a* data-exchange format, *a* connection buss !!!