Re: Electicity Supply

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Electicity Supply
Date	2025-09-07 00:20 +0200
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On 2025-09-06 23:39, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> On 2025-09-06, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 	Galilio had the proof of the Copernican theory
> 
> No. He proved that nothing was wrong with his system, not that his
> system was right. And he couldn't because he believed that the tides
> were created by the moving earth. Which isn't. So he tried to prove it
> without success because the reason behind his vision was wrong.
> 
> The big issue was that people believed that if the earth was moving, the
> when we jump, we would stopped moving with the earth and we would land
> far away from our starting point. Which we don't obviously do. So, he
> proved that when a boat is moving on the see, there is no way to tell if
> the see is moving bellow a static boat or if the boat is moving above a
> static see. And this explained that the earth can move without being
> noticed. As long as the earth is moving at the same speed. That doesn't
> proved the earth was moving, that proved that the earth could move.
> 
>>> and was punished for publishing his observations.
> 
> No. He asked for a Papal Bubble (sorry I don't know if it's the right
> translation from French) and get it on condition he changed some things
> in his text. He changed nothing and published it, with the official
> Papal Bubble, in Netherlands which were outside of the Church control.
> 
> So he was punished for making the Church looking like fools in his book
> and clearly lying about the Church benediction. He was clearly looking
> for trouble. And pretending he was punished for being right in front of
> the power is only rewriting the past.
> 
> People have been burned for very less than what he did and pretending
> than his example is a proof of the Church misbehavior is really wrong.
> The Church misbehaviour is very easy to find all around the past and
> present, Galilee's process is a counter example.
> 
> He was right, but we only know it now. It wasn't obvious at that time.
> And he wasn't more scientist than the Church at that time.
> 
>>> The calculations are much simpler in Copernican theory
> 
> Yes, that was the only reason to use this system at that time. Because
> it wasn't more accurate. Today, it's different, the reasons behind the
> Copernican theory are better understood, but in Galilee's time that
> was only guesses. There wasn't any explanation, there were only
> descriptions. One description was simpler, the other one was more
> accurate. There was no way to prove which one was correct at the time.
> 
>>> than in Ptolemic nonsense.
> 
> You are the one speaking nonsense. Believing in Ptolemaic system today
> is nonsense. At Ptolemy's time, it took really more brain than you can
> show in your sentence. With today's knowledge and with today's technology,
> it's obvious to see that Ptolemy was wrong. But, despising what Ptolemy
> did with nothing at all to start with is just an asshole condemnation.
> 
> And right now we know that the earth doesn't turn around the sun but
> that both of them are turning around a gravity center. Which is not
> exactly the same as the sun, which is way more complicated than turning
> around the sun (because you have to take care of other planets as well)
> and which Ptolemy had no clue at that time. We needed to wait for Newton
> to understand what happens and with Einstein it was questioned again.
> 
> And we know that the solar system is moving too, which is more difficult
> to take into account and which wasn't guessed at the time.

I read a navigation book (before GPS was invented) that explained that 
the geocentric model, even being wrong, was useful for navigation 
calculations, because it predicted the positions of objects as seen from 
Earth.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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                Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 00:20 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 00:25 +0000
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                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:25 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 07:14 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 11:44 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 00:16 +0000
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                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:56 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-09 13:34 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 16:29 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:47 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 14:22 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 16:35 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-10 03:23 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:56 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 11:26 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 15:30 +0100
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