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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... |
| Date | 2025-12-14 22:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1ln31mxt5j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
| References | (22 earlier) <10hjkgl$lr0$1@dont-email.me> <mq5v9sF85feU3@mid.individual.net> <CvudnTlN8fg81aP0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> <tmn21mxjjj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <mq8jfdFlcl8U4@mid.individual.net> |
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On 2025-12-14 21:02, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 13:38:21 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-12-14 06:18, c186282 wrote: >>> On 12/13/25 15:06, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:00:19 -0500, Paul wrote: >>>> >>>>> Usually on a clear cut lot, there are lots and lots of "stumps" and >>>>> nobody gives a shit about those. That's why the field in that video >>>>> is suspiciously "too good to be true". As the years pass, the stumps >>>>> will rot and be digested like normal. It's just the stumps are a >>>>> hazard right after a clear cut session. >>>> >>>> In this area, make that 'many years'. We had a bad fire in 2003 that >>>> took some areas down to mineral soil. Long after the fire stumps were >>>> still burning out the underground root systems. 22 years later you >>>> still have to be careful off trail not to step in a pit. The areas >>>> were not replanted so there are very few trees. >>> >>> This is what happened in California ... nobody was allowed to dig >>> and put out the burning roots. Two weeks later and ........ >> >> What happened? >> >> >>> Layered bureaucracy in action. >>> >>> Now the b-crats have brought rebuild permits to a virtual halt. >>> Alas these tend to be rather wealthy people/donors ... there WILL >>> be some serious consequences. Alas the 'crats themselves don't >>> care, they're following the rules/protocols ... >>> >>>> The winter after the fire I went out snowshoeing and completely lost >>>> the trail that I had hiked often. You don't realize how much of a clue >>>> the brush along a trail is until there isn't any. There was also a >>>> small stretch with fairy slippers, a small orchid, that I liked as a >>>> sign of spring. The similar looking shooting stars have returned but >>>> not the fairy slippers. The corms have a relationship with soil fungus >>>> and that's all gone. >>>> >>>> The clear cuts here definitely don't look like a well prepared garden >>>> plot. The technique of leaving a few seed trees wasn't effective >>>> either. There's nothing left to shelter seedlings. >>>> >>>> The areas managed by the Forest Service have made out better. I've >>>> helped mark out a few timber sales. The trees to go are sprayed blue >>>> at breast height and the roots, the keepers orange. The lower paint is >>>> to keep people honest since you can tell what was cut from the stump. >>>> Often though the sale is never bid on since selective harvesting is >>>> more expensive. >>> >>> I've seen many replant areas. Yes, trees grow - but the replanting >>> puts them too close together. No sun gets to the ground, it's not a >>> complete ecosystem. >>> In the interim period there's a lot of soil erosion. >>> >>> >> Here they tried putting straw on the ground to reduce erosion. > > Lot of straw... The US tends to think in 260 ha units that goes back to > laying out land ownership in 'sections', 1 mile on a side. In this area > the forests are in mountainous areas with steep slopes. Typically the > company that clear cut the area grabbed the cash and ran. That also > applies to mining and other extractive industries. Privatize the profits, > socialize the costs. Oh, I forgot. This was after this summer devastating fires. I saw it on TV, and probably they were volunteers. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:38 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:26 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:59 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:03 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:48 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 17:32 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 18:39 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 04:12 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 00:29 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:28 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:42 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:37 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 22:29 -0500
Invade America? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:49 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:12 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:32 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 01:51 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:02 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-10 23:00 -0600
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:28 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:35 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:07 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:11 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-12-12 10:33 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:58 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:54 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:14 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 20:40 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:42 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:16 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:46 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:52 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:17 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:02 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:32 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:49 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-15 05:18 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:36 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:27 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:14 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 10:58 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:44 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:10 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:23 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:38 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:22 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:31 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:10 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 23:40 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:35 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:30 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 23:09 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:03 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:37 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:09 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:43 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:17 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:39 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:34 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:37 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 21:27 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 01:42 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:16 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 07:03 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:05 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:11 +0000
Dog poo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:51 +0100
Re: Dog poo knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:08 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:37 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:01 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:23 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:33 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:03 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:12 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 21:57 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:39 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-13 07:00 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 20:06 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:18 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:38 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:02 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:43 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:57 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:42 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-16 16:29 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 01:24 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 06:53 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:47 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 00:51 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:46 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 02:01 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:58 -0600
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:46 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:22 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 13:16 -0600
Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:28 +0100
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 04:48 +0000
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:15 +0100
Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:14 -0500
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 19:46 +0100
Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:42 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:12 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 22:48 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:16 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 01:05 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 04:22 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:17 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:01 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 21:52 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:27 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:36 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:53 +0000
Forests... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:45 +0100
Re: Forests... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:09 -0500
Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:24 +0000
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:38 +0000
Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:59 +0000
Re: Forests... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 21:31 +1100
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:15 +0000
Re: Forests... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:59 -0500
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:28 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:13 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 22:22 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:17 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 05:00 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:14 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:35 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:21 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:51 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:39 +0000
Wood "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:50 +0100
Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:49 +0100
Re: Garbage bags knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:10 -0500
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:58 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:46 +0000
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:02 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:30 +0000
Re: Garbage bags Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-12 02:58 -0600
Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:28 +0100
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:42 +0000
Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 13:51 +0000
Re: Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:14 +0100
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:20 +0000
Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:22 +0100
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:47 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:44 +0000
Re: Garbage bags c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:51 -0500
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:24 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:48 +0000
Re: Garbage bags Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 13:56 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:44 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:30 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:37 +0100
Dogshit and bags Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 14:05 +0000
Re: Dogshit and bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:16 +0100
Re: Dogshit and bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:08 +0000
Re: Dogshit and bags Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-12-12 09:09 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 19:46 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:27 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:08 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:23 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:19 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:13 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
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