Re: Underground fires

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: Underground fires
Date	2025-12-20 13:15 +0100
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On 2025-12-20 05:48, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 22:28:38 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-12-19 03:01, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 22:46:15 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have not heard of root fire in my country. Peat fire going on for
>>>> many months, yes. Rekindling a forest fire, yes. Crews remain around
>>>> for some time after the fire is put out.
>>>
>>> https://thebulletin.org/2021/03/underground-zombie-peat-fires-
> release-100-
>>> times-the-carbon-of-wildfires/
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia_mine_fire
>>
>> Let me see if I understood. The city set fire to a garbage dump filling
>> the huge hole of an old open air mine, and the fire propagated to the
>> mine, which happened to be a coal mine?
> 
> That's it in a nutshell. They thought they were dealing with a strip mine
> or basically a big hole in the ground that was filled with garbage and
> burning it was a good idea. They didn't realize the garbage was covering
> the entrance to a labyrinth of underground coal mines.
> 

Garbage should be burnt (if burnt at all) in a high temperature oven 
with filters for toxic fumes.

> Setting fire to garbage was illegal in the first place so they messed
> around trying to cover their tracks and kept getting deeper and deeper in
> shit. The miners followed coal veins so it was a real labyrinth.
> 
> https://storyofbutte.org/files/show/5725
> 
> Butte was copper mines but the whole town is sort of sitting on an ant
> hill. There is a museum there that has so 3D models that were prepared for
> lawsuits that are really impressive. The suits occurred when Company A
> following a vein broke through into Company B's tunnels. I have no idea
> how they even knew where they were.
> 
> Butte has the opposite problem to a mine fire. When they switched to an
> open pit and turned off the pumps in the underground mine tunnels the
> whole mess filled with highly toxic water.

So they can not drain that toxic water. :-(

> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit

“A protozoan species, Euglena mutabilis, was found to reside in the pit 
by Andrea A. Stierle and Donald B. Stierle, and the protozoans have been 
found to have adapted to the harsh conditions of the water. Intense 
competition for the limited resources caused these species to evolve the 
production of highly toxic compounds to improve survivability. Natural 
products such as berkeleydione, berkeleytrione,[18] and berkelic 
acid[19] have been isolated from these organisms which show selective 
activity against cancer cell lines. Some of these species ingest metals 
and are being investigated as an alternative means of cleaning the 
water.[20]”

Wow, they even gave names to peculiar compounds in there.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:43 +0100
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