Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too

From	vallor <vallor@vallor.earth>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject	Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too
Date	2026-04-11 08:30 +0000
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At Fri, 10 Apr 2026 10:01:08 +0100, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 2026-04-07, Alan wrote:
> 
> > On 2026-04-07 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> On 07/04/2026 16:46, Alan wrote:
> >>> On 2026-04-06 17:04, Nuno Silva wrote:
> >>>> On 2026-04-06, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> What happened to Apple’s homegrown technological innovation? They are
> >>>>> reduced to the point where, like Microsoft, they have to try and
> >>>>> squeeze more revenue out of a declining platform, by any means
> >>>>> necessary.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe that's not a bad thing, given the bad impact Apple has had in the
> >>>> smartphone usability field, "buttons are bad" and promoting UI
> >>>> inconsistency.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Are you serious?
> >>>
> >>> Apple set the standard that pretty much every smartphone now uses
> >>> for UI (i.e. an all touchscreen interface)
> >>>
> >>> If it's so bad, why has no company not developed a better one?
> >>
> >> It is not in any company's interest to make things better for anyone
> >> except their management and shareholders
> >>
> >
> > That is complete nonsense.
> >
> > It is in a company's interest to make their products better than their
> > competitors' products...and vice versa.
> 
> This is fantasious, I'd argue. Even those companies which are not
> incorporated in Delaware may visibly act otherwise. That they are not
> required to prioritize profit for their shareholders doesn't mean they
> don't act like they are.
> 
> All in all, such a thing like expecting a company to care about making
> products better or user experience is a bit too much faith. Some
> companies might do or have done in the past. But, as a rule? That mostly
> suggests you're assuming a corporate behavior that's not in line with
> reality. Sure, it *ought* to be like that...
> 
> 
> On 2026-04-08, Alan wrote:
> 
> > On 2026-04-08 11:42, Nuno Silva wrote:
> >> On 2026-04-08, Alan wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2026-04-08 11:25, Nuno Silva wrote:
> >>>> On 2026-04-08, Alan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If the UI that Apple first offered...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And that EVERYONE has now copied!
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it has been established in court that Apple really didn't do
> >>>> this as a first, at the very least there's prior art from [checks notes]
> >>>> Stanley Kubrick?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Please...
> >>>
> >>> Apple brought it to a consumer product: the iPhone.
> >>>
> >>> Every other maker of smartphones immediately pivoted to what Apple was
> >>> doing.
> >>>
> >>> And there's a HUGE difference between a device in a work of fiction
> >>> (that doesn't have to... ...you know... ...actually FUNCTION)...
> >>>
> >>> ...and doing it in reality.
> >>
> >> When you are claiming the credit of invention, it does matter if it
> >> wasn't your idea. You can surely push for credit on things Apple
> >> *did*. Now pretending Apple somehow single-handedly came up with the
> >> smartphone-tablet kind of interface is just high fantasy.
> >
> > Apple DID produce a smartphone with an (almost--there was still the
> > home button) all-screen touch interface.
> >
> > I never claimed anything about "single-handedness".
> 
> You keep repeating that Apple was the one bringing it as a consumer
> product as if that is all which matters (if that was even the case,
> while I know of one bit of prior art, doesn't mean others don't
> exist). How is that not "single-handedness"?
> 
> > This sub-thread started with you saying:
> >
> > 'Maybe that's not a bad thing, given the bad impact Apple has had in the
> > smartphone usability field, "buttons are bad" and promoting UI
> > inconsistency.'
> >
> > And what I'm saying is:
> >
> > 'If it's so "bad"... ...why did everyone copy it?"
> >
> >> Even if the idea could not have been patented back then, it would still
> >> be a problem, because what's at stake here isn't whether it had been
> >> fully invented before, whether there was a working implementation. But
> >> the claim that Apple was the one coming up with it.
> >> > It's like, say, if you pretended that Apple had created Webkit or CUPS,
> >> instead of forking the former from KDE or buying the latter. If Apple
> >> significantly contributed to these with code, design or maintainership,
> >> it surely deserves that credit, but not that of having "invented" it.
> > Apple didn't "invent" Webkit, sure. They didn't "invent" CUPS.
> >
> > But your analogy is flawed, because this is about you claiming Apple
> > has had a:
> >
> > '..bad impact [] in the
> > smartphone usability field'
> 
> The way you're wording things here suggests to me you are arguing
> against the design being bad not because you see a context where it is
> good, not even because you personally prefer that design, but because
> Apple as a company cannot make bad decisions. (Not even because it's
> Apple, but because it's a company?)
> 
> And if that's the argument, then there's no point in even discussing it
> because it's really built on dreams about corporations and industry in
> current economies.

I had a touch-screen smart phone long before the iPhone was
released.  Palm Treo, which also had a keyboard -- but when
I was browsing soma.fm to play tunes on my walk, it was the touch
screen I used.

I was waiting for Verizon to offer the new WebOS phones from
Palm, but instead, they answered the iPhone release with
something called a "Droid".  Solid framework and distro called
"Android" -- runs Linux.

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Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-05 20:51 +0000
  Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-05 14:54 -0700
  Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-05 22:14 +0000
  Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 19:15 -0400
    Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-05 23:43 +0000
      Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-05 17:10 -0700
        Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 00:27 +0000
          Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-06 00:36 +0000
            Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 04:46 +0000
              Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-06 07:08 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 09:06 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-06 20:35 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 20:55 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-07 02:41 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-06 20:23 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-07 08:02 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-07 08:39 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-07 19:13 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 19:38 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Denny <dennyssuperslam11409@mail.com> - 2026-04-07 21:52 -0400
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-04-08 12:51 +0200
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 14:15 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-04-08 15:22 +0200
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-09 02:48 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-08 21:19 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-09 08:53 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-04-09 12:13 +0200
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-09 23:13 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-04-10 11:55 +0200
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-13 11:47 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-09 07:45 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-09 23:14 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 15:17 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 15:41 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-04-08 18:35 +0200
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 16:53 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-04-08 18:57 +0200
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 17:30 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 20:18 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-09 09:45 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-09 14:20 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-09 02:49 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-08 21:20 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-04-09 12:17 +0200
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-09 23:25 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-10 09:00 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-04-10 11:57 +0200
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-10 21:57 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-08 17:47 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-08 10:58 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-04-08 20:03 +0200
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-06 17:38 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-06 11:04 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-07 08:44 +0100
            Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-06 11:01 -0700
              Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 18:03 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-06 18:13 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 18:20 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-06 19:36 +0100
      Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 07:43 -0400
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      Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-06 11:08 +0100
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        Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-06 17:35 +0000
          Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-06 18:04 +0000
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                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-07 07:59 +0000
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                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-07 19:24 +0000
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    Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-06 00:38 +0000
      Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 04:47 +0000
        Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-06 07:10 +0000
          Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 09:01 +0000
            Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-06 21:52 +0000
              Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 00:59 +0000
              Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-07 08:45 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 19:37 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 08:23 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 15:38 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-08 10:40 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 20:25 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-08 15:02 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-04-11 08:14 +0000
          Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-07 01:04 +0100
            Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 01:02 +0000
              Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-07 11:49 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-07 08:48 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-10 10:03 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 19:36 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-10 10:20 +0100
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            Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-07 08:46 -0700
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                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-07 10:54 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-07 12:40 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 08:29 +0100
              Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-07 20:25 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-07 13:04 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-04-07 23:28 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-07 18:41 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-08 06:54 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-08 10:30 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 08:34 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 08:31 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-08 10:38 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 19:25 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-08 11:33 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 19:42 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-04-08 11:49 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-10 10:01 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-04-11 08:30 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-08 19:29 +0100
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                Re: Apple Is Becoming Dependent On Linux, Too Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-10 10:14 +0100
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