Re: [Poll] Computing favorities

From	"Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.misc
Subject	Re: [Poll] Computing favorities
Date	2015-08-24 13:10 +1000
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"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1405550702462071350.179336peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:862181686462048382.178035peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> Micro$oft used a lot of illegal marketing tactics to force windoze down
>>> everyone's throat.  OS/2 was at least twice as good but IBM lacked the
>>> extortionate tactics to win OUT.
>>
>>     Could you elaborate a little more on that? If I am correct OS/2 was 
>> kind
>> of a joint venture with IBM and MS. I've also heard Gates suggested on 
>> the
>> new PCs that Kildall's CP/M be involved. Then after their BASIC product
>> MS-DOS was on the IBM/PCs.

> Microsoft used their leverage to prevent manufacturers
> from selling systems with OS/2 preinstalled.

They obviously couldn’t do that with the hardware that IBM
was selling and most of that didn’t come with OS/2 preinstalled.

> If someone wanted to do that they threatened to
> jack up the price of windows to that manufacturer,
> which would make their windows systems non-competitive.

Utterly mangled all over again. Even a full retail copy of Win
wasn’t that expensive at the time that OS/2 was being pushed
on normal consumers and was in fact cheaper than OS/2.

> This is supposed to be illegal according to various antitrust acts,

Only the tactic of sellers of hardware a lower price on the
Win OEM license if they paid for one for all the hardware
they sold was even arguably in violation of any antitrust law.

but by the time anyone got a conviction all they
> got was a slap on the wrist.

Because they didn’t do anything illegal.

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[Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 14:31 -0400
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-08-19 14:53 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 16:18 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 22:06 +0000
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 16:17 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-19 20:23 +0000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 17:19 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-20 07:07 +0000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities mausg@mail.com - 2015-08-20 08:06 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-20 15:23 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-20 18:00 +0100
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-20 15:51 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-20 14:08 -0700
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-20 18:15 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-20 17:41 +0000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-20 00:40 +0100
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 22:06 +0000
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2015-08-19 21:29 +0100
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-20 11:17 +0100
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hankvc@blackhole.lostwells.org (Hank) - 2015-08-22 21:48 +0000
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-19 17:08 -0400
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 17:24 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 22:04 +0000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-25 13:07 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-20 15:56 -0500
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-20 18:18 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-08-20 23:21 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-21 02:02 +0200
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-19 14:28 -0700
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 22:00 +0000
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> - 2015-08-19 18:11 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-19 18:33 -0400
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-08-19 22:33 -0600
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-20 11:44 -0700
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-20 19:15 -0400
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 09:17 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 16:39 +0000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 13:49 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-23 13:25 -0500
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 15:21 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:46 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-08-23 20:41 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:50 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 20:38 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 14:48 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 13:20 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 14:04 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-24 17:33 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 04:31 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:19 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:52 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:19 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 20:44 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-08-24 19:16 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 20:43 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 08:37 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:45 +0100
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-24 05:24 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-23 18:47 +0000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 15:16 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:18 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:31 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:55 +0200
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:53 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:18 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 10:28 +0200
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-24 12:40 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 13:18 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 04:34 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-23 22:39 +0100
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:16 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-24 10:34 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 14:09 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 14:52 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 16:41 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 19:29 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-24 15:32 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-25 07:16 +0100
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 07:29 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 13:20 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 12:10 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:06 +0100
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:02 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 23:35 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 15:27 -0400
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:10 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:28 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:27 -0500
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:48 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-23 21:32 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:57 +1000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:00 +0100
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:18 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 11:31 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 12:08 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 08:22 -0700
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-08-24 19:29 +0000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 18:37 -0400
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 18:38 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-24 15:54 -0700
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-24 18:41 -0400
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:47 +1000
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 16:25 -0700
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities fmassei@gmail.com - 2015-08-24 13:29 -0700
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 20:44 +0000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Larry Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 16:28 -0500
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-24 15:49 -0700
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Larry Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 18:16 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Larry Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 18:41 -0500
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-24 23:14 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities fmassei@gmail.com - 2015-08-25 02:40 -0700
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 11:26 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities fmassei@gmail.com - 2015-08-26 10:20 -0700

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