Re: Netnews: The Origin Story

From	Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Netnews: The Origin Story
Date	2024-11-07 18:28 -0300
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:

> Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>> 
>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 6 Nov 2024, Rich wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Nov 2024, Rich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This is the truth!  As a thought experiment I sometimes think 
>>>>>>>> about how I would be able to handle usenet if it had 10x the nr 
>>>>>>>> of posts, and I don't think I would.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Been there, seen that....  Circa 1995 (I forget which groups now) 
>>>>>>> the text posting volume was so great in the few groups I was 
>>>>>>> following that it was not possible to keep up.  I was always 
>>>>>>> behind, and falling further behind each day.  Eventually the fall 
>>>>>>> behind problem reached a point where I decided to just drop out.  
>>>>>>> So I disappeared for a good ten years or so.  Of course, when I 
>>>>>>> did return again, Usenet was a shadow of its former self as far as 
>>>>>>> text posting rates go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would have to be either a laser focus on a very small nr of 
>>>>>>>> groups, or aggressive filtering of the subject lines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One did have to do both, and even so, the volume was impossible to 
>>>>>>> keep up with if the group was at all active.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an interesting problem. How is it solved in modern social media?
>>>>>
>>>>> If by "modern social media" you mean the likes of FB and its ilk, 
>>>>> presumably by having "the algorithm" showing you stuff, and then you 
>>>>> just doom scroll through the algorithm driven feed.  And if stuff 
>>>>> does not get put on your feed, you are unaware of its existance.
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, so probably just setting some keywords in my client and filter based 
>>>> on those. Not a very satisfactory solution.
>>>
>>> Except with "modern social media" you (the user) don't get to "just 
>>> set[ting] some keywords" for the "algorithm".  The "algorithm" does it 
>>> all for you by magic.  Which, unfortunately, leaves you at the mercy of 
>>> the allmighty "algorithm" as to what you see, and provides a great 
>>> opportunity for the "algorithm" to bias your world view into whatever 
>>> its creators want your world view to be by selective showing or 
>>> omission of various posts to your feed.
>> 
>> In other words, it's unacceptable---period.
>
> Indeed, yes.  With a user-local killfile (i.e., the Usenet client 
> method) then you, the user, is explicitly deciding what you want to 
> exclude (or include, as most modern clients implement the 'kill' as a 
> score so one can up/down articles if one wants).
>
> But with the allmightly algorithm, you are at the mercy of your 
> corporate overlords.
>
> Sadly, as most social media users are very similar to the humans on the 
> spaceship on the cartoon Wall-E, they are lazy and want "someone else" 
> to do all the work for them, expecting them to put in the even minimal 
> effort to curate their own local 'killfile' is likely too much to 
> expect.

And that's a very interesting phenomenon---that people are so
uninterested in such relevant matters.  The laziness looks more like a
depression, a state of total uninterest in one's life.

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Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-05 18:27 +0000
  Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-05 15:55 -0300
    Re: Netnews: The Origin Story snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-11-06 11:42 +0000
      Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-06 11:17 -0300
        Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 16:54 +0100
          Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 16:29 +0000
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:37 +0100
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 21:48 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 10:03 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:04 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 13:12 -0300
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 16:19 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 18:28 -0300
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 23:04 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 19:41 -0300
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 16:14 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 22:59 +0100
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-11-08 01:23 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 16:18 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-08 15:40 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 22:02 +0100
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-06 22:51 -0300
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 10:07 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 13:14 -0300
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 23:00 +0100
          Re: Netnews: The Origin Story not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-07 06:15 +1000
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 20:26 +0000
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:42 +0100
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:39 +0100
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-06 23:16 -0300
      Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 16:52 +0100
        Re: Netnews: The Origin Story snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-11-06 17:17 +0000
          Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:56 +0000
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-07 06:20 +1000
          Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:37 +0100
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-11-06 22:45 +0000
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:10 +1000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-11-07 00:34 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 10:06 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-08 06:32 +1000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 21:03 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 23:03 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 23:00 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 16:16 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-08 15:48 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-11-08 01:29 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-07 03:20 +0000
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 10:04 +0100

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