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Re: Netnews: The Origin Story

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On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Wolfgang Agnes wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Wolfgang Agnes wrote:
>>
>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
>>>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Nov 2024, Rich wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Nov 2024, Rich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> This is the truth!  As a thought experiment I sometimes think
>>>>>>>>>>> about how I would be able to handle usenet if it had 10x the nr
>>>>>>>>>>> of posts, and I don't think I would.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Been there, seen that....  Circa 1995 (I forget which groups now)
>>>>>>>>>> the text posting volume was so great in the few groups I was
>>>>>>>>>> following that it was not possible to keep up.  I was always
>>>>>>>>>> behind, and falling further behind each day.  Eventually the fall
>>>>>>>>>> behind problem reached a point where I decided to just drop out.
>>>>>>>>>> So I disappeared for a good ten years or so.  Of course, when I
>>>>>>>>>> did return again, Usenet was a shadow of its former self as far as
>>>>>>>>>> text posting rates go.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It would have to be either a laser focus on a very small nr of
>>>>>>>>>>> groups, or aggressive filtering of the subject lines.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One did have to do both, and even so, the volume was impossible to
>>>>>>>>>> keep up with if the group was at all active.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is an interesting problem. How is it solved in modern social media?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If by "modern social media" you mean the likes of FB and its ilk,
>>>>>>>> presumably by having "the algorithm" showing you stuff, and then you
>>>>>>>> just doom scroll through the algorithm driven feed.  And if stuff
>>>>>>>> does not get put on your feed, you are unaware of its existance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, so probably just setting some keywords in my client and filter based
>>>>>>> on those. Not a very satisfactory solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except with "modern social media" you (the user) don't get to "just
>>>>>> set[ting] some keywords" for the "algorithm".  The "algorithm" does it
>>>>>> all for you by magic.  Which, unfortunately, leaves you at the mercy of
>>>>>> the allmighty "algorithm" as to what you see, and provides a great
>>>>>> opportunity for the "algorithm" to bias your world view into whatever
>>>>>> its creators want your world view to be by selective showing or
>>>>>> omission of various posts to your feed.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, it's unacceptable---period.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, yes.  With a user-local killfile (i.e., the Usenet client
>>>> method) then you, the user, is explicitly deciding what you want to
>>>> exclude (or include, as most modern clients implement the 'kill' as a
>>>> score so one can up/down articles if one wants).
>>>>
>>>> But with the allmightly algorithm, you are at the mercy of your
>>>> corporate overlords.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, as most social media users are very similar to the humans on the
>>>> spaceship on the cartoon Wall-E, they are lazy and want "someone else"
>>>> to do all the work for them, expecting them to put in the even minimal
>>>> effort to curate their own local 'killfile' is likely too much to
>>>> expect.
>>>
>>> And that's a very interesting phenomenon---that people are so
>>> uninterested in such relevant matters.  The laziness looks more like a
>>> depression, a state of total uninterest in one's life.
>>
>> Could very well be. What's the statistics on prescribed happy-pills?
>> Is it increaseing over the world?
>>
>> I would not be surprised if a lot of people are looking to be
>> constantly distracted, in order not to feel the pain of the empty
>> gaping hole in their souls.
>>
>> Instead they could work on themselves, their values, achievements and
>> goal, which would feedback positively, and improve their lives.
>>
>> I do hope that the pill-people are the exception and not the rule.
>
> I don't have the statistics at hand, but I would be very surprised if it
> is not increasing world wide.  And people don't need to stay off pills
> to go depressed.  Just the food they eat daily is enough to bring them
> down little by little.  And the dim outlook is that they seem to never
> figure it out.
>

What food do they eat daily, and why is that enough? I suspect that I am 
not eating the standard fare, and I am very unconscious of what man in 
general tends to eat.

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  Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-05 15:55 -0300
    Re: Netnews: The Origin Story snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-11-06 11:42 +0000
      Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-06 11:17 -0300
        Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 16:54 +0100
          Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 16:29 +0000
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:37 +0100
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 21:48 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 10:03 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:04 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 13:12 -0300
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 16:19 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 18:28 -0300
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 23:04 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 19:41 -0300
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 16:14 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 22:59 +0100
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-11-08 01:23 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 16:18 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-08 15:40 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 22:02 +0100
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-06 22:51 -0300
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 10:07 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-07 13:14 -0300
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 23:00 +0100
          Re: Netnews: The Origin Story not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-07 06:15 +1000
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 20:26 +0000
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:42 +0100
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:39 +0100
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> - 2024-11-06 23:16 -0300
      Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 16:52 +0100
        Re: Netnews: The Origin Story snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-11-06 17:17 +0000
          Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:56 +0000
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-07 06:20 +1000
          Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:37 +0100
            Re: Netnews: The Origin Story snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-11-06 22:45 +0000
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:10 +1000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-11-07 00:34 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 10:06 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-08 06:32 +1000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 21:03 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 23:03 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 23:00 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 16:16 +0100
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-08 15:48 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-11-08 01:29 +0000
                Re: Netnews: The Origin Story Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-07 03:20 +0000
              Re: Netnews: The Origin Story D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 10:04 +0100

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