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Re: __init__ is the initialiser

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On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
>> I'm reasonably sure you posted this as humor, but there is some truth in
>> what you said.  In the crypto/security domain, you often want to keep a
>> key or cleartext around only for the time it's needed, and scrub the
>> memory it was occupying as soon as it is no longer in use.
>>
>> I don't know how you would do that in Python.
>
> I did, but you're right.
>
> It's fundamentally not possible in pure Python, because there's no way
> to flag a block of memory as "do not page this to disk". For what
> you're talking about to be at all possible, you would need support
> from the language, from the OS, and possibly from the CPU as well. I'm
> sure this sort of thing exists, but if it does, it'll probably be
> something that Python itself wouldn't concern itself with - you'd get
> it via openssl or something.
>
> There have been occasional times I've wanted an "explicit destruction"
> feature. Rather than the facetious exception I listed above, it'd be
> better to have all those references (including the original one in a,
> since there's nothing special about that) turn into some kind of "null
> state" - either None, or a special object that marks itself as a
> destructed/destroyed (terminology debates aside) object. With custom
> types, I can mark them off with a special flag, and check that all the
> time; but I can't, for instance, have a dict that maps some lookup
> keyword to its output file, and then destroy output files to remove
> all their references from everywhere in the dict. (I have had
> something along these lines, a bit more complicated than this, but not
> in Python.)

Can't you get close to that using weakrefs?  I'll admit that care is required.

N.

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Re: __init__ is the initialiser Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-31 22:16 -0500
  Re: __init__ is the initialiser Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-02-01 05:23 +0000
    Re: __init__ is the initialiser Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-02-01 00:25 -0500
      Re: __init__ is the initialiser Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-02-03 12:15 +1300
        Re: __init__ is the initialiser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-02-03 10:27 +1100
          Re: __init__ is the initialiser Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-02-02 18:40 -0500
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-02-03 11:07 +1100
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2014-02-02 17:24 -0800
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-02-03 12:37 +1100
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2014-02-02 17:54 -0800
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-02-03 08:44 -0500
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Nicholas Cole <nicholas.cole@gmail.com> - 2014-02-03 13:50 +0000
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-02-03 10:44 -0700
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 04:57 +1100
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Nicholas Cole <nicholas.cole@gmail.com> - 2014-02-03 19:57 +0000
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-02-03 19:38 -0500
        Re: __init__ is the initialiser Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-02-02 19:35 -0500
          Re: __init__ is the initialiser Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-02-02 19:45 -0500
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-02-02 22:14 -0500
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-02-02 21:15 -0600
            Re: __init__ is the initialiser Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-02-03 00:06 -0500
              Re: __init__ is the initialiser Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-02-03 00:12 -0500
                Re: __init__ is the initialiser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-02-03 16:49 +1100
                Re: __init__ is the initialiser Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-02-02 21:34 -0800
    Re: __init__ is the initialiser Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 21:31 -0800

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