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Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code

From "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
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Subject Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code
Date 2013-03-23 11:08 +1100
Message-ID <uaKdneFiWdsDb9HMnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@westnet.com.au> (permalink)

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"Jim Janney"  wrote in message news:ydn38vnrnmv.fsf@shell.xmission.com...

[No indentation again, reply at the end]

"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> writes:

> "Fredrik Jonson"  wrote in message
> news:slrnkkiom1.nnr.fredrik@biggles.jonson.org...
>
> [Apologies for the lack of indentation, reply at end of post]
>
> Lew wrote:
>
>>  Turtle Wizard wrote:
>> > Final Fantasy 2 based game written in Java : source code GPLv2 :
>> > http://code.google.com/p/angels-destiny-rpg/
>>
>> [Snip Lew's code review]
>
> Lew, I want to start with a thank you for conducting a code review on
> Turtle's project. Technically it is mostly resonable advice.
>
> The problem is - and I'm not sure you are aware - the tone in your review
> could be perceived as rather hostile, you even shout at one place.  Do you
> think people are more prone to listen to your advice when you shout? Also
> you needlessly use negative adjectives, like "clumsy" and "strange", where
> it would suffice to describe the technical problem with the code.
>
> Could it be possible that people would be more inclined to take your 
> advice
> to heart if you took another approach?
>
> This is usenet, and obviously you are free to post in whatever tone you
> like. However, there is something to be said for being kind to others,
> especially newbies and people you do not know.
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> Let me offer you some advice Fredrik.
>
> I have observed Lew's comments and behaviour in this group for several
> years.  While he may come across as "hostile" or "rude" on first
> impression, I believe he is not trying to be either of those things.
> There is no doubt that Lew has excellent skills and knowledge in Java
> and you can do far worse than to follow his advice or learn from him.
> He reviewed your code and provided some feedback because he wanted to
> help you, not to get his jollies belittling you or showing how clever
> he is.  He didn't have to do that (it takes time and effort) and he
> gains nothing from it other than the satisfaction of helping people.
>
> The other thing to remember is that the world is a tough place and to
> succeed as a developer you need to be able to compete on the world
> stage and amongst talented peers.  Had Lew delivered a "softer"
> response you may have been less likely to react in a positive,
> motivated way.  Prospective employers would most likely be much harder
> on you than Lew has been. Programmers competing with you for a
> position or trying to get ahead of you in the workplace will also not
> be so generous and are unlikely to be as courteous.
>
> I strongly suggest you accept the (constructive) criticism and strive
> to be a better developer.
>
> I also wanted to add something along the lines of "If you can't stand
> the heat then get out of the kitchen" but I struggled to frame that
> analogy in the terms of software development.

Back when the Second Iraqi War was just getting started, I used to know
a guy who insisted that the U.S. was not, repeat not invading Iraq.  He
had all kinds of complex legalistic arguments to back this up and there
was no chance of convincing him otherwise.  And yet he completely missed
the real point: to the people on the ground, watching the tanks roll in,
it looked like an invasion, and that was what ultimately made the
difference in the outcome.  Learning not to give offense unnecessarily
is an important professional skill, as much as knowing an API or being
able to write clear grammatical English.  Most of us are not naturally
good at these things, which is why we continually work at honing our
abilities.

Another useful skill is learing to spot and avoid rationalizations.
When I point out that many people perceive Lew as rude, I am doing no
more than making an objective statement of fact :-)

------------------------

Agreed.  Personally I don't especially like the way Lew treats people, 
especially newbies, and do believe that it's better to be positive and 
encouraging without resorting to colourful (offensive?) language.

I guess what I am trying to say is simply that I don't believe Lew is 
inherently nasty and that I often learn from him regardless of his attitude. 
I have encountered far worse in the "real world".

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
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Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Turtle Wizard <elvishNOSPAM.healer@gmail.com> - 2013-03-19 22:26 +0100
  Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-03-19 18:49 -0700
    Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2013-03-20 07:18 +0000
      Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-03-20 20:28 +1100
        Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2013-03-20 13:34 +0000
          Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-03-20 12:07 -0700
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-20 20:26 -0400
              Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-03-21 08:11 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-03-21 20:58 +1100
              Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-03-21 12:29 -0700
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-21 20:34 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-21 17:56 -0400
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-03-21 15:24 -0700
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-22 09:18 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-03-22 07:15 -0300
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-22 13:54 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-03-22 10:25 -0700
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-22 18:14 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-03-22 13:22 -0700
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-22 20:26 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-03-22 13:32 -0700
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-22 21:39 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-03-23 08:50 +1100
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2013-03-22 23:26 +0100
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-03-23 09:39 +1100
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-22 20:15 -0400
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-22 20:12 -0400
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-22 20:08 -0400
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-03-23 10:59 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-03-23 15:33 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-03-22 10:19 -0500
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-22 16:57 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-03-22 14:07 -0500
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-22 20:09 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-22 20:31 -0400
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-23 08:54 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-03-23 23:01 -0500
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-24 10:04 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-03-24 17:07 -0300
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-25 09:19 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-25 09:26 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-22 20:49 -0400
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-03-23 11:12 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-23 15:24 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-03-23 16:21 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-23 17:10 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-03-23 18:27 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-23 18:51 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-03-23 22:00 -0300
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-22 20:19 -0400
          Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-03-21 14:12 +1100
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-21 09:06 +0000
              Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-03-21 20:57 +1100
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-21 10:42 +0000
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-03-21 22:11 +1100
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-21 11:53 +0000
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-21 17:58 -0400
        Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-20 13:51 +0000
          Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2013-03-20 09:28 -0500
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-20 15:03 +0000
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-20 20:32 -0400
          Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-03-20 17:52 +0100
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-20 17:43 +0000
              Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-03-21 10:01 +1100
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-03-21 08:35 +0000
              Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-20 20:35 -0400
        Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-20 20:18 -0400
        Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2013-03-22 18:00 -0600
          Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-03-23 11:08 +1100
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-22 20:26 -0400
      Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-03-20 12:41 +0100
        Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code paul.cager@gmail.com - 2013-03-20 05:59 -0700
          Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-03-20 17:49 +0100
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2013-03-20 20:33 +0100
              Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-03-20 23:15 +0100
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2013-03-21 00:11 +0100
                Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-03-21 00:27 +0100
        Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-20 20:39 -0400
          Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-03-21 10:01 -0700
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-03-21 17:39 -0400
            Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-03-22 01:21 +0100
    Re: Final Fantasy 2 based game source code bubble <bubble@soft29.vub.ac.be> - 2013-03-24 14:16 +0000

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