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| From | Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: Ubuntu |
| Date | 2011-10-20 20:53 +0100 |
| Organization | Stack Usenet News Service |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:12:26 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > >> On 10/16/2011 7:51 PM, Tom Anderson wrote: >> >>> Less pedantically, mainstream Linux seems to be heading away from X >>> too: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29 >> >> We will see. >> >> I am a bit skeptical about that happen. > > The lack of network transparency in Wayland would be a major showstopper > for me: my preferred way of working and of organising data and tasks > across a network more or less depends on this feature of X11. Stealing links from wikipedia, there is a chance it may become remotable: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2010-November/000097.html http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-November/145306.html I avoid the term "network transparent", because that term is palpable nonsense. I have a couple of years of day-in, day-out experience of X (in fact, NX) being significantly less than transparent over a network. > That said, I'm uncertain how unusual this way of working appears to > others. The specific X way of working (program on one machine, window system entirely elsewhere) is probably fairly niche these days. But the VNC/RDP/NX way of working, where the remote program thinks it is talking to a local window system, which is actually a stub which is sending its updates across the network, is very common. There is a thing called SPICE: http://spice-space.org/ Which is basically a remote windowing protocol that plugs into a virtual machine (as long as it's QEMU), rather than into a window server; that is, it's sort of a virtual VGA cable, of which nothing above the level of the VM itself (so not even the guest OS - although maybe it needs special drivers?) is aware. You could presumably run a Wayland server on that, and have apps talk to Wayland talk to the VM talk to a SPICE client over the network. I have no idea if that would be a good thing or not. tom -- Kein Mehrheit Fur Die Mitleid
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