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Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT)

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On 6/2/2012 12:41 PM, Lew wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>> BASIC was the first programming language I learned and the
>>>> second programming language I was giving classes for (the
>>>> first one being Pascal).
>>>>
>>>> In the next week, I will give my first VB class. So - for
>>>> preparation - I did have a look at some VB source code.
>>>> And I had an eerie feeling when reading the following part,
>>>> thinking: This is actually Java, just with a BASIC syntax!
>>>>
>>>> If ret.StartsWith("-") Or ret.StartsWith("/") Then Throw New
>>>> Exception(...)
>>>>
>>>> I mean, »String#startsWith« and »throw new Exception ...« are
>>>> not part of the classic BASIC, but surely are part of Java!
>>>>
>>>> (But then, one can also dispute that VB actually /has/ a BASIC
>>>> syntax: There are no line numbers, it does not understand
>>>> LET, GOSUB nor »PRINT 1,2;3«. And of course, there is no
>>>> »MAT«, »DEF FN...« or READ/DATA. So it's Java with a made-up
>>>> syntax, which possibly partially resembles BASIC.)
>>>>
>>>> Well, Java surely is influential. Maybe the
>>>> programming-language landscape will slowly converge to some
>>>> set of common features/classes and syntax.
>>>
>>> If you with VB means VB.NET then you are absolutely correct.
>>>
>>> VB.NET is C# with VB syntax and C# is close to a superset of Java.
>>>
>>> And the .NET library is also rather close to the Java library.
>>>
>>> Anders Hejlsberg worked on MS Java before he started working
>>> on .NET and C#.
>>
>> Note that this also somewhat imply that you should not
>> expect a general convergence in languages/libraries as
>> these similarities have a very specific explanation.
>
> Yes, like that library designers tend to see a need for the same
> functionality, e.g., eliciting String prefixes, and they tend to use the
> obvious English-like names, e.g., "starts with".

It is obviously a good name.

But there are other good names.

begin with
start is
first is
has prefix

etc.

> But the designer and ecosystem stemming from C# does go a long way to
> explain such close similarities.

Difficult not to assume some inspiration.

Arne

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Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-02 10:39 -0400
  Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-02 10:40 -0400
    Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-06-02 09:41 -0700
      Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-06-03 00:44 -0700
        Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-03 09:18 -0400
      Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-03 09:15 -0400
        Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-03 13:50 -0500
        Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-03 19:29 -0700
          Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-16 23:35 -0400
            Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-06-16 23:29 -0700
              Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-17 18:33 -0400
  Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-03 13:26 -0500
    Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-06-03 12:13 -0700
      Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-03 15:42 -0500
        Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-06-03 14:23 -0700
          Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-06-03 14:25 -0700
          Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-05 09:22 -0500
            Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-05 09:54 -0700
      Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-16 23:34 -0400
        Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) "Mike Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-24 17:02 -0700
          Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-06-24 23:09 -0700
    Re: eerie Java-BASIC (partially OT) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-16 23:30 -0400

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