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Re: Java vs C++

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On 11-02-06 12:39 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:
[ SNIP good overview ]

> In reality, Java's static types and checked exceptions will throw a fair
> amount of syntactic salt into this, barring a hefty (and again Haskell-
> like) infusion of type inference. Java could lose out in the long run to
> JVM hosted languages designed to be functional from the ground up. Of
> these the frontrunners seem to be Clojure and Scala, with Scala's non-
> Lispy syntax giving it an edge in familiarity (and especially with
> management) and Clojure's macros (and consequent ability to reify
> boilerplate patterns into things you can name and call and not
> reimplement over and over again) giving it an edge in expressivity.
>
> Both are gaining traction even with management types, especially when
> stuff coded in them can be bundled into jars and deployed on application
> servers in a manner identical to deploying Java code. It doesn't look or
> feel any different to management than deploying Java; the coders are
> pushing different symbols around in their text editors and IDEs but
> they're still using IDEA or NetBeans or Eclipse and still producing .jar
> files that behave the same way when put on the server. So if the coders
> are typing stuff that looks incomprehensible in a different way than it
> did before, and seem a bit happier, and are suddenly making their
> deadlines instead of missing them, and nothing has stopped working or
> started working differently at a level management notices, management
> won't rock the boat. At most they'll want to be assuaged about
> intellectual property rights, mainly that a) the company still owns its
> code and b) they aren't going to get sued for using this stuff. Both
> languages in question have, if anything, less stringent license
> requirements than Java itself.
[ SNIP ]

I'm currently pushing Scala (nothing against Clojure really, I am just 
considerably more familiar with Scala) quietly, in-house and also on 
some client projects, with similar thinking in mind. It _is_ a fact that 
management truly doesn't care that this chunk of opcodes was originally 
Java source, and that other chunk of opcodes was originally Scala 
source. If a project development team can incrementally introduce user 
libraries into a Java EE environment that happen to be written in Scala, 
and they are developed faster and we end up with more reliable code, 
nobody is going to complain.

AHS
-- 
We must recognize the chief characteristic of the modern era - a 
permanent state of what I call violent peace.
-- James D. Watkins

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    Re: Java vs C++ Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-02-07 19:57 -0500
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      Re: Java vs C++ Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-02-08 19:46 -0400
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    Re: Java vs C++ Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-02-07 07:37 -0500
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