Re: Programming Style

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Programming Style
Date	2013-06-14 18:50 -0400
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On 6/13/2013 8:20 PM, Ed wrote:
> Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
>> On 6/12/13 8:56 PM, Ed wrote:
>>> Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/13 6:21 PM, Ed wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Why should *everyone* be required to implement things only
>>>>> a few believe they need?
>>>>>
>>>>> Forth-94 claims flexibility yet here is a situation where
>>>>> implementors are told "take it all, or none of it".  I chose the
>>>>> latter.
>>>>
>>>> They aren't "required" to implement it. CATCH/THROW is an optional
>>>> wordset. You can be Forth-94 compliant without it.
>>>
>>> I did implement CATCH THROW - with less effort than the Standard
>>> demanded, and it appears to suffice.  Perhaps it's a *rare* need that
>>> programs be able to catch and identify each of the exceptions listed
>>> in Table 9.2.  Problematic also, if those exceptions cannot be
>>> detected as per your previous post.
>>
>> The importance and usefulness of CATCH/THROW isn't in the defined codes,
>> ...
>
> I agree.  It is the ability of an application to define error codes which
> it can later intercept - that is most important.
>
>> they're incidental and can be implemented as you see fit.
>
> No.  9.3.5 clearly states:
>
>      "A system choosing to execute THROW ... *shall* use the throw code listed ..."
>
> It means, for example, a Standard system must use -17 THROW
> .... rather than  ABORT" numeric buffer overflow".
>
> I see no point in a Standard mandating codes for exceptions which
> it accepts not all systems can, or will choose, to handle.  Can you?

Why not quote the entire section...

9.3.5 Possible actions on an ambiguous condition
   A system choosing to execute THROW when detecting
one of the ambiguous conditions listed in table 9.3.6
shall use the throw code listed there.

I don't see anything in this section that mandates that a system using 
THROW and CATCH.  Read the sentence again.  It clearly says if you 
choose to detect conditions listed in the table, you *shall* use the 
throw code listed... that is ALL.

You are reading far too much into this section.

-- 

Rick

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