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"Hugh Aguilar" <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 6, 1:46 pm, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Everbody recognizes Mr. Moore
>
> > i'd like to say *THANK YOU* to
> > Ms. Rather
> > and
> > Mr. Pelc
>
> > I'll second that and while we are at it I'd like to add Alex
> > McDonald to the list. I use Win32Forth nearly everyday...
> > or at least the days I actually make money.
>
> [FYI, Usenet etiquette is to delete signatures in replies...]
>
> I very much doubt that Rickman (the "Phantom") is making
> money writing Forth code (the GUI generator in Win32Forth
> is so bug-ridden that it crashes every time, which would make
> professional work difficult).  AFAIK, the only people
>        [still alive]
> on comp.lang.forth who have ever made money from Forth,
> are Elizabeth Rather, Stephen Pelc, and myself.

I inserted "still alive" for accuracy.  There are a number of
individuals who were on comp.lang.forth in the past who made
money from Forth who are now deceased.  I also inserted it to
reiterate the notion that Forth, it's programmers, and it's job
market are dying or dead.

> There is also the strange case of Mark Wills, who is selling a
> Forth cartridge for the TI99/4A. When I said above, "make
> money from Forth," I meant in the real-world --- hobbyist
> projects don't count, even if you can find other hobbyists who
> will buy your stuff. A lot of hobbyist systems have the
> *potential* of being professional systems --- but until this
> is actually done at least once, then the system doesn't count
> as a professional system.

Just how small was the company you coded for ... again?  Three
people?  Four?  Five?

I.e., was that company really much more than one person selling
_your_ work?  And, couldn't that work, by one person - you, be
classified as "hobbyist"?  It was _only_ the work of one person...

Didn't Mark take the smarter path by selling his own work himself,
or attempting to?

> Other than myself, who has ever been paid significant money for
> writing Forth code that got used in a real-world product?

Wait a minute, according to you, you never were paid
"significant money" for coding you did in Forth:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.forth/VJ-iu9ig9zg/gLNj6WZ2QgMJ

So, if we subtract you from your own list (LOL!) of three people,
that leaves two...

(Apparently, I'm the only one around here paying any attention,
at least some of the time...)

> This would be a product that competes legitimately against
> similar C-based products, and which has some kind of value
> to customers who don't care whether it is Forth or C internally

Who doesn't care if it is Forth or C internally?

Someone has to maintain the code, either the customer or the
software house.  Trust me.  They care.

> By "significant money" I mean enough to live on --- getting
> paid a one-time fee of $300 is somewhat noteworthy,

Is that $300 a reference to what Testra supposedly paid you for
two years of contract employment at $10/hour as a consultant,
or to Mark Wills?  (Think about it...)

If the tale you tell is true, you've probably won the award for
the lowest paid consultant in the history of programming,
hands down.

> If nobody is making any money, then what exactly are
> you thankful for?

That's what I said, but I pointed people to the correct path.

You're still insisting Forth is that path.  How long do you have
to work as a cabbie to realize it isn't?  How many times do you
have to complain about Forth killing your resume?


Rod Pemberton

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THANK YOU Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2013-06-05 22:01 -0500
  Re: THANK YOU "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-05 19:08 -1000
    Re: THANK YOU Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-06 00:10 -0700
    Re: THANK YOU Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 16:01 -0700
  Re: THANK YOU stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-06-06 11:19 +0000
  Re: THANK YOU rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 16:46 -0400
    Re: THANK YOU "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-06-06 23:28 -0400
      Re: THANK YOU rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 18:07 -0400
    Re: THANK YOU Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-06-07 03:27 -0700
      Re: THANK YOU anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-07 11:44 +0000
        Re: THANK YOU Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-06-07 14:16 -0700
      Re: THANK YOU rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 18:11 -0400
        Re: THANK YOU visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-06-08 21:37 -0700
          Re: THANK YOU rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-09 14:42 -0400
          Re: THANK YOU Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-11 00:51 -0700
            Re: THANK YOU rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-11 20:57 -0400
              Re: THANK YOU Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-11 18:12 -0700
                Re: THANK YOU rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-11 23:27 -0400
              Re: THANK YOU Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-17 00:04 -0700
            Re: THANK YOU Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-12 00:22 -0700
        Re: THANK YOU Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-06-09 03:59 -0700
    Re: THANK YOU Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-08 19:02 -0700
      Re: THANK YOU rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-09 14:45 -0400
      Re: THANK YOU "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-06-10 16:54 -0400
        Re: THANK YOU "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-10 11:33 -1000
          Re: THANK YOU "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-06-11 19:50 -0400
            Re: THANK YOU Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-12 00:58 -0700
              Re: THANK YOU Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-06-12 01:08 -0700
                Re: THANK YOU Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-12 01:16 -0700
              Re: THANK YOU "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-06-17 20:27 -0400
                Re: THANK YOU Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-17 14:29 -1000
        Re: THANK YOU Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-11 17:25 -0700
          Re: THANK YOU "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-06-17 21:19 -0400
            Re: THANK YOU "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-18 02:05 +0000
              Re: THANK YOU Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-06-17 21:27 -0700
                Re: OT was, [Re: THANK YOU] "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-06-18 21:34 -0400
            OT Re: THANK YOU albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-06-18 14:53 +0000
      Re: THANK YOU Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 14:11 -0700
        Re: THANK YOU rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 19:08 -0400
          Re: THANK YOU <fred@example.com> - 2013-06-11 13:02 +0100
            Re: THANK YOU albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-06-11 12:49 +0000
      Re: THANK YOU Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-11 00:44 -0700
        Re: THANK YOU Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-11 18:08 -0700
          Re: THANK YOU Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-12 01:14 -0700
            Re: THANK YOU "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-12 08:03 -1000
            Re: THANK YOU Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-12 18:09 -0700
              Re: THANK YOU albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-06-13 10:45 +0000
                Re: THANK YOU Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-13 03:53 -0700
                Re: THANK YOU "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-06-13 07:37 -1000
                Re: THANK YOU Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-13 19:01 -0700
                Re: THANK YOU "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-06-17 20:12 -0400
              Re: THANK YOU rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 11:45 -0400
              Re: THANK YOU "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotq.cpm> - 2013-06-17 20:25 -0400
  Re: THANK YOU Joshua Litt <jalitt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 18:49 -0700
  Re: THANK YOU Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-06-07 14:19 -0700

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