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Date	2013-06-12 01:14 -0700
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Subject	Re: THANK YOU
From	Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk>

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On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 2:08:42 AM UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> I don't mean to disparage your TI99/4A Forth cartridge, Mark. I just
> mean that it can't be considered professional work --- although if you
> could also invent a time-machine, and take your Forth system back 30
> years ago to sell it --- then it might be considered professional
> work!
> 
> Eventually, you are likely to port your Forth over to the MSP430,
> which is a direct descendant of your beloved TI9900. Also, eventually,
> I am likely to get my own PIC24 Forth going. In either case, it will
> still be a hobbyist project. These kinds of hobbyist projects are what
> I meant when I referred to those that have the potential to become
> professional projects, but until somebody actually uses them
> professionally, they continue to be hobbyist projects.
>
> It is very difficult to make money programming in Forth. Even if your
> Forth system is better than all of the other Forth systems, and better
> than the C systems, it is still very unlikely to be used
> professionally.

No no, I fully understand where you're coming from and I fully agree, including the last point about the difficulty in making money from Forth.

I think even the Forth shops such as Forth, Inc. and MPE aren't winning business on the basis that they are a Forth shop. They are winning business as a competitive software consultancy, and Forth just happens to be the particular "weapon of choice for them". It could be, of course, that Forth helps them to be competitive in the sense that they can turn projects around faster, and their small size as companies means lower overheads. It's actually not a bad position to be in, as long as you can keep winning business.

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