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Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance?

From Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance?
Date 2012-01-21 23:40 +0100
Organization 1&1 Internet AG
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Arnold Doray wrote:
> I'm not calling Bernd arrogant. Only that that one statement of his
> sounds arrogant to me. The statement sounds arrogant because it
> dismisses someone's life work without providing any adequate basis for
> that judgment. I mean, comparing the GA144 to GPGPUs ??!! Seriously. I
> guess even geniuses have a day off.

I don't think you understood what I wrote.  I wrote that GPGPUs - which 
have many cores, just like GA144 - do actually provide their many cores 
with an adequate memory interface and an adequate amount of local memory 
for each core - GA144 does not, the nodes are severely memory-starved 
for all but a few algorithms, and external memory access is cumbersome 
and slow.

This means GA144 is severely limited in what it can be used for.

> Also, do FPGAs scale to large production volumes for your target
> device?

Yes.  If you have large production volumes, you take the Verilog or VDHL 
code and convert it into an ASIC, with an intermediate step for medium 
volume productions, where the FGPA makers offer something like a gate 
array, which is compatible with their FPGA tool chain, AFAIK using a 
single mask layer to encode the actual logic and routing (which is 
really saving a lot of money with current processes).

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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  Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-01-10 08:24 -1000
  Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance? BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-01-10 10:49 -0800
    Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-01-10 20:48 +0100
      Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance? BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-01-11 11:01 -0800
    Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance? gavino <gavcomedy@gmail.com> - 2012-02-02 15:49 -0800
  Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-10 14:45 -0800
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