Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!npeer-ng0.de.kpn-eurorings.net!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Bernd Paysan Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:40:04 +0100 Organization: 1&1 Internet AG Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <21380514.535.1326191319881.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqnb23> <7f3539b2-0e82-46ae-bf07-94725136d5c0@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <81cba3c9-a3f2-40ba-867d-c6e393b0d0a4@e8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <7xboq3lct9.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> <1b326644-7c60-480c-8fdf-681a23b1111c@34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> <7x7h0qomxi.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5dcd64a6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: online.de 1327185605 5576 93.205.100.166 (21 Jan 2012 22:40:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:40:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: KNode/4.7.2 Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.forth:9121 Arnold Doray wrote: > I'm not calling Bernd arrogant. Only that that one statement of his > sounds arrogant to me. The statement sounds arrogant because it > dismisses someone's life work without providing any adequate basis for > that judgment. I mean, comparing the GA144 to GPGPUs ??!! Seriously. I > guess even geniuses have a day off. I don't think you understood what I wrote. I wrote that GPGPUs - which have many cores, just like GA144 - do actually provide their many cores with an adequate memory interface and an adequate amount of local memory for each core - GA144 does not, the nodes are severely memory-starved for all but a few algorithms, and external memory access is cumbersome and slow. This means GA144 is severely limited in what it can be used for. > Also, do FPGAs scale to large production volumes for your target > device? Yes. If you have large production volumes, you take the Verilog or VDHL code and convert it into an ASIC, with an intermediate step for medium volume productions, where the FGPA makers offer something like a gate array, which is compatible with their FPGA tool chain, AFAIK using a single mask layer to encode the actual logic and routing (which is really saving a lot of money with current processes). -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/