Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance?

From	Arnold Doray <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance?
Date	2012-01-16 03:56 +0000
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:05:57 -0800, rickman wrote:

> On Jan 10, 9:31 pm, Arnold Doray <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:45:07 -0800, Jason Damisch wrote:
>> > On Jan 10, 2:28 am, gavino <gavcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Would green arrays produce something with some persistance and a web
>> >> browser? perhaps staggeringly cheap?  or perhaps something like
>> >> plan9's 9p that could repalce the web with a network file system or
>> >> some other metaphore?
>>
>> > No, but you can investigate iTV as they were developing cheap web
>> > browser which might have been pretty cool.  But, the internet and
>> > internet programming has become so complex due to such technologies
>> > as Javascript and Flash, that a simple cheap web-browser would in
>> > fact have limited scope and abilities, and only be able to use a
>> > subset of the internet.  This would not be a mass appeal device.
>>
>> With a high speed connection, it might be possible to offload the heavy
>> lifting (CSS rendering, Javascript interactivity) to a server. Your
>> "Web Device" doesn't do very much apart from display the resulting
>> image, the network connection and relaying the user input. The new
>> Kindle Fire's browser takes this approach.
>>
>> The GA144 could conceivably be used in this context. You could probably
>> strip out some of the peripheral chips from existing designs, because
>> the GA144 can do a lot of these in software. CM illustrates some of
>> this capability in the latest Forth Day "fireside" video. I found it
>> absolutely fascinating.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Arnold
> 
> What peripheral chips could you push inside the GA144?  I think it to be
> highly unlikely you could get Ethernet at any standard speed above 10
> Mbps in a GA144.  Same with USB above 12 Mbps.  You could probably drive
> a VGA signal at fairly low resolution, but who wants that?  I think 1024
> pixels would be required even for a state of the art handheld device.
> 

I don't think the problems you mention are insurmountable. 10 Mbps could 
be OK if you're clever in how you compress the image data you're sending 
from server to console. The server does the heavy lifting, the console 
only displays and relays user input. 

> The peripherals is where the GA144 falls short in many ways.  If you
> don't mind rewriting all the code and limited the applications to a
> minimum subset the chip will be a good platform.  But you will need to
> add devices to get the standard interfaces running at standard rates;
> USB, Ethernet, HDMI, ...
> 

Of course you'd have to do this. But it isn't that hard if you control 
all the harware. You'd only need one driver for each. 

Cheers,
Arnold

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