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Re: Would green arrays produce something with a web browser? like a cheap appliance?

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forther wrote:

> On Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:45:36 PM UTC-8, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> 
>> But then it still requires a lot of IO bandwidth.  GA144 has neither.
> 
> It depends of how you define "a lot".
> 
> Anyway, we've implemented at least 3 applications, based on SEAforth
> 40C18: music synthesizer, hearing aid device and a subsystem of
> machine vision. In all these cases the memory and IO bandwidth were
> adequate to the task. Of course, it doesn't prove, that SEAforth or
> GA144 is perfect match to everything. It just proves, that such fields
> exist. In our case SEAforth appeared to be better, than any known
> competitors, especially in terms of power efficiency.

Oh yes, there always will be applications that are computation intense, 
but need neither lots of IO nor lots of internal memory.  I've done a 
equalizer filter component in Zetex' DDFA, and it would qualify as such 
an application - it needs 4 cells of data and 5 cells for coefficients, 
and the program for a biquad filter is really small - this sort of thing 
easily fits into one GA144 core (maybe even stereo, i.e. two of those), 
and the data rate for audio data is low.

Zetex' DDFA is a full custom chip, so the most competitive was to build 
a special-purpose CPU that was just good at biquads and mixing (I did 
not even consider to use a b16 for that task), but if you have to buy 
off-the-shelf parts, the selection process is different.  I would say 
that a hearing aid should be a full-custom chip, because you want it to 
be as small as possible (so it should be a one-chip solution), and as 
low power as possible (i.e. the smallest possible battery).  As hearing 
aids should be mass products (thanks to Apple for selling so many iPods 
;-), a full custom chip is cost efficient.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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